From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 1 06:08:13 2009 Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:07:04 -0800 (PST) From: Adegbolagun Adeola To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: [TAG] VMware installation problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Hello Deividson Can you help me to fix the problem below?. I actually interrupted vmware installation before trying to install it only to be requesting for the below: I will appreciate you help `` root@adey-laptop:/home/adey/Documents/vmware-server-distrib# ./vmware-install.pl A previous installation of VMware Server has been detected. The previous installation was made by the tar installer (version 4). Keeping the tar4 installer database format. You have a product that conflicts with VMware Server installed. Continuing this install will first uninstall this product. Do you wish to continue? (yes/no) [yes] y Error: Unable to execute "/media/DATA_DRIVE/Virtual-Machine-File/vmware-uninstall.pl. Uninstall failed. Please correct the failure and re run the install. Execution aborted. '' Thanks +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO A creative way to deal with "homework" questions. ----- Forwarded message from Wade Richards ----- Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:13:40 -0800 From: Wade Richards To: Chip Panarchy CC: debian-security@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23028 Subject: Re: Securing a Network - What's the most secure Network/Server OS? - Is there a secure way to use Shares? This sounds a lot like "I'm taking a course, and I'd like the Internet to do my homework for me." I'll give you generally correct advice, with enough lies in here to give you a failing grade if you don't verify my statements. If I were setting up a system as you described, I'd focus on what the network clients are capable of, and what requires the least non-standard configuration on them (because misconfiguration of the client workstation is an easy way to introduce insecurity, and it's hard for you to enforce their config). The Windows boxes want Windows networking, the Unix-like ones want Unix networking. A Unix server is most likely to give you both easily, although almost any server OS can. So the servers should be running SAMBA for Windows logon and network shares, plus LDAP and NFS for Unix logon and sharing. SAMBA can be configured to authenticate against the local LDAP server, so it can become your single source of knowledge for user accounts. You can share the same directories on the server via SAMBA and NFS, so they become your centralized storage. Encrypting network traffic is very much the least of your concern. So many people think security means "encrypt stuff!", when it is the high level protocols (logon, authorization) that matters. Nobody will bother with packet sniffing when they can just read the files directly from the file server. Besides, in a wired network, the switches will ensure packets only go to the machines where they are supposed to be, so sniffing is pointless. If you really want to waste your time, ipsec, or tunneling NFS through SSL will work (wireless should use WPA2 with as many bits as makes you happy. To make the network fast, you should grease your network cables. Security can be improve by adding cable locks to all the computers, and putting in a steel door with a deadbolt, and bars on the windows. It's always a good idea to use a Debian server for repositories, because the Debian kernel and file system has native support for dpkg file formats, so performance is much faster with them. You may choose to have your Ubuntu and Windows machines automatically get patches from your central patch repository, so you can pre-test them all before roll-out. Or, you can have the machines automatically get the patches from Ubuntu.com and MSFT directly. It depends on how much effort you're willing to put into testing patches. If you go the direct route, then buggy patches may impact your system. If you go the indirect route, then your testing delay between a patch being released by the vendor and you deploying it may allow an exploitation. It depends on which risk you want to take. The server can be Debian, Ubuntu, Windows server, BSD or Mac. It could even be running OS/360. The key question is which are you most comfortable using, and which are you most capable of keeping patches up-to-date and systems securely configured. If I were setting it up, it would be Debian. If you're taking a MSCE course, your best choice is probably Windows server or Windows 95. --- Wade Chip Panarchy wrote: >Hello > >So far, when I have posted on this Mailing-List I have recieved some >very informative replies. > >I am currently studying for a few certifications, (amongst them MCSE, >Security+ & the CCNA), and would like to learn how to design a secure >network. > >Please help me with this endeavor. > >Hypothetical situation; > >################################################################ >1x Server (no need to go into specs, but let's just say 8GB of RAM and >2x Intel Quad CPU at 2.66GHz) >500x Windows Computers (400x Windows XP, 94x Windows Vista and 6x Windows 7) >80x Linux Computers (Ubuntu... and others?) >46x Mac OS X Computers (Including 10x Tiger, 34x Leopard and 2x Snow >Leopard) >3x FreeBSD (2x v7, 1x v9) >################################################################ > >=============================== >630 computer all up, including the Server >=============================== > >Now onto my question. For a convoluted network as pictured above, >(hypothetical, of course), what kind of Server (NOS included?) >operating system should I install, and how should I configure it? > >I want to know this only by a security standpoint. Things that are >important; >############ ># SECURITY # >############ >- Encryption of all traffic (256-bit) >- Shares (if possible to have Shares and still maintain a secure network) >- Centralised secure storage of Data (Storage) >- Centralised secure storage of User accounts >- Unattended installation of (at the very least) the 500 Windows boxes >- Internet > >Please tell me what I would need in this situation, not interested in >how many people would be needed, how much money it would cost, or how >much time it would take. > >Now time to summarise my questions in an easy to review format; > >1. Which Server Operating system should I install on my Server? >2. To make the Network fast (e.g. Gigabit NICs on all computers & more >Servers etc.), as well as secure, what would I need to do? >3. What is the best way to have 256-bit encryption of all traffic on >this network? >4. Is it possible to have Shared folders, yet still attain a >high-level of security on this Network? >5. Would it be possible to have Centralised Storage/Resources? >6. Could it be possible to have a Centralised User Account database, >for this entire network? >7. Would you think it a good idea to use a Debian server for Repositories? > >Please try your best to answer those 6 questions. > >Thanks in advance, > >Chip D. Panarchy > >PS: I was planning on making this into many little Messages on this >Mailing-list, however, I decided against it. If you think I should >make them into smaller messages (eg 1 of the 6 questions per message) >then please tell me. > > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-security-REQUEST@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? 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Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 1 18:21:53 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:17:19 -0800 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Cc: Adegbolagun Adeola Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] VMware installation problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 4173 Lines: 67 On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 06:07:04AM -0800, Adegbolagun Adeola wrote: > Hello Deividson Hi there. As you may have guessed from the 'lists' part of the address, Deividson isn't the only person reading this email; in fact, there's a whole gang of us (The Answer Gang, that is.) > Can you help me to fix the problem below?. I actually interrupted vmware > installation before trying to install it only to be requesting for the > below: > > I will appreciate you help > > root@adey-laptop:/home/adey/Documents/vmware-server-distrib# > ./vmware-install.pl > A previous installation of VMware Server has been detected. > > The previous installation was made by the tar installer (version 4). > > Keeping the tar4 installer database format. > > You have a product that conflicts with VMware Server installed. > Continuing > this install will first uninstall this product. Do you wish to continue? > (yes/no) [yes] y > > Error: Unable to execute > "/media/DATA_DRIVE/Virtual-Machine-File/vmware-uninstall.pl. > > Uninstall failed. Please correct the failure and re run the install. What this says is that the VMware installer is looking for its installation data on some sort of an externally-mounted drive - one that's mounted under '/media/DATA_DRIVE'. I don't know why it expects this - perhaps your first attempt at installing VMware was from an external drive, and it left some configuration data as a result? - but your best option is to purge the current installation and to start completely from scratch. As another possibility - one that may create problems, but may be necessary if you want to do this as a reinstall - you could either re-use the original data device (which will, presumably, mount in the same place with the same name), or - and this is somewhat contrived, but should work - you could make a symlink in the /media directory called DATA_DRIVE that points to /home/adey/Documents/vmware-server-distrib (or wherever your install data actually lives.) Re-run the installer, and make sure to delete the link afterwards. Again, though, the first option - purging the old install and doing it fresh - is strongly preferred. That is, after all, the whole point of the package system - one of the major factors in the stability of Linux. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 1 23:15:42 2009 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:14:42 +0000 From: Thomas Adam To: The Answer Gang , "J.Bakshi" Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] GUI for idesk ?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 971 Lines: 20 2009/3/2 Ben Okopnik : > So, if you're willing to wait a couple of days - our next issue comes > out on the 1st - you'll have access to a very nice GUI for idesk. As far > as I know, there isn't one available outside of that. "idconf" or some such name is what I recall of there being an idesk GUI. -- Thomas Adam +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 2 06:41:51 2009 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:39:40 -0300 From: Deividson Okopnik To: The Answer Gang , Adegbolagun Adeola Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] VMware installation problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1987 Lines: 43 > On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 06:07:04AM -0800, Adegbolagun Adeola wrote: >>    Hello Deividson Hello Adegbolagun >> >>    You have a product that conflicts with VMware Server installed. >>    Continuing >>    this install will first uninstall this product.  Do you wish to continue? >>    (yes/no) [yes] y >> >>    Error: Unable to execute >>    "/media/DATA_DRIVE/Virtual-Machine-File/vmware-uninstall.pl. >> >>    Uninstall failed.  Please correct the failure and re run the install. > > What this says is that the VMware installer is looking for its > installation data on some sort of an externally-mounted drive - > one that's mounted under '/media/DATA_DRIVE'. I don't know why it > expects this - perhaps your first attempt at installing VMware was from > an external drive, and it left some configuration data as a result? - > but your best option is to purge the current installation and to start > completely from scratch. As Ben pointed, it looks like youre installing from a different location than last time, and thats confusing the installer, so it's not locating the uninstaller correctly. You can try to install from the old location, what will make the installer locate the un-installer correctly, or you can run the un-installer directly (vmware-uninstall.pl at your new installer folder)- whatever is easyer for you. +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Tue Mar 3 20:09:19 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:04:00 -0800 To: The Answer Gang Cc: "J.Bakshi" Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] GUI for idesk ?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 2021 Lines: 40 On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 07:14:42AM +0000, Thomas Adam wrote: > 2009/3/2 Ben Okopnik : > > So, if you're willing to wait a couple of days - our next issue comes > > out on the 1st - you'll have access to a very nice GUI for idesk. As far > > as I know, there isn't one available outside of that. > > "idconf" or some such name is what I recall of there being an idesk GUI. I've just searched around for 'idconf', and found a very poorly-written script (e.g., one of the entry fields is labeled 'Comma' - and you're supposed to figure out that it means 'Command'.) A bit more searching around turned up a page (http://fixxxer.cc/blog-en/?p=6) which lists the various configurators for 'idesk'; most of them had died (at least, searching Google produced no results), and most of the rest were pretty useless. One, however, was interesting: "idesktools" by Vadim A. Khohlov (http://icecc.sourceforge.net/idesktools.html) looks like a neatly-done Python app with reasonably good functionality which allows you to configure both your ~/.ideskrc file and to create your .lnk files. I haven't done much testing on either tool, but they seem usable. On the other hand, I prefer my own version; I like being able to select the icon visually, and none of the other apps give you that option. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Tue Mar 3 20:21:07 2009 From: Sam Bisbee To: The Answer Gang Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:20:02 +0000 Cc: ben@linuxgazette.ne.com Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] GUI for idesk ?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1631 Lines: 31 On 2009-03-03 at 2304 +0500, Ben Okopnik wrote: >On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 07:14:42AM +0000, Thomas Adam wrote: >> 2009/3/2 Ben Okopnik : >> > So, if you're willing to wait a couple of days - our next issue comes >> > out on the 1st - you'll have access to a very nice GUI for idesk. As far >> > as I know, there isn't one available outside of that. >> >> "idconf" or some such name is what I recall of there being an idesk GUI. > >I've just searched around for 'idconf', and found a very poorly-written >script (e.g., one of the entry fields is labeled 'Comma' - and you're >supposed to figure out that it means 'Command'.) Really? 'Cause I usually read code with the assumption that all the variable names are a 0,5 substring of the noun they represent. Maybe that's just a byproduct of going through CS courses with a Java curriculum instead of C++. Those gosh darn kernel hackers are just too verbose with their comments and descriptive variable naming! -- Sam Bisbee +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Wed Mar 4 06:53:41 2009 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:52:42 -0300 From: Deividson Okopnik To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: [TAG] Proxy + firewall configuration on linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: O Content-Length: 1191 Lines: 29 Hello everyone. Im needing to configure a temporary internet server here, and after reading a lot, I'm kinda confused :P I need a non-transparent proxy (asks users for theyr username/pass), with the ability to block access to certain pages and services (like www.orkut.com or MSN), plus the ability to generate usage reports. I saw several programs that can do that, but each article I read uses a diferent combo - thats what confused me :) So, the question is, what software would you use to create such a configuration? Thanks for the input Deividson +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Wed Mar 4 08:22:03 2009 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:19:32 +0100 From: René Pfeiffer To: The Answer Gang Cc: Deividson Okopnik Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] Proxy + firewall configuration on linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: O Content-Length: 1693 Lines: 40 On Mar 04, 2009 at 1152 -0300, Deividson Okopnik appeared and said: > Hello everyone. > > Im needing to configure a temporary internet server here, and after > reading a lot, I'm kinda confused :P > > I need a non-transparent proxy (asks users for theyr username/pass), > with the ability to block access to certain pages and services (like > www.orkut.com or MSN), plus the ability to generate usage reports. > > I saw several programs that can do that, but each article I read uses > a diferent combo - thats what confused me :) I'd use Squid+Netfilter. Squid offers authentication and can use external filters to block access to certain URLs. You can even check downloads for viruses, if needed. The plugins doing the URL checks are called "redirectors". Basically Squid hands every request to an external script, this script parses the URL and returns the URL that Squid should fetch. Squirm is one redirector, but I am not sure if it's still maintained yet (http://squirm.foote.com.au/). A simple Perl script can do the job, though. Best, René. +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Wed Mar 4 08:27:25 2009 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:26:25 +0000 From: Francis Daly To: Deividson Okopnik Cc: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] Proxy + firewall configuration on linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: O Content-Length: 1808 Lines: 41 On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 11:52:42AM -0300, Deividson Okopnik wrote: Hi there, > I need a non-transparent proxy (asks users for theyr username/pass), > with the ability to block access to certain pages and services (like > www.orkut.com or MSN), plus the ability to generate usage reports. > So, the question is, what software would you use to create such a > configuration? I use squid as a http proxy, although I don't currently require authentication to use it. (Did use an ldap-backed authentication method in the past, though, so I know it's doable.) I use squidguard to block access to certain domain suffixes, url prefixes, and url regexes, plus a thttpd to serve my "this was blocked" response. That might be adequate for your list of pages and services. I don't generate usage reports, but you can pick your favourite program to do that. Either it will accept the default squid log format, or you can modify the squid log to the "common log format" that many http servers generate. "analog" and "webalizer" are familiar names. Find one that advertises reports that you like the look of, and you're done. Good luck, f -- Francis Daly francis@daoine.org +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Wed Mar 4 08:48:32 2009 From: "J.Bakshi" To: The Answer Gang Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:16:08 +0530 Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] GUI for idesk ?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1337 Lines: 34 On Wednesday 04 Mar 2009 9:34:00 am Ben Okopnik wrote: > > One, however, was interesting: "idesktools" by Vadim A. Khohlov > (http://icecc.sourceforge.net/idesktools.html) looks like a neatly-done > Python app with reasonably good functionality which allows you to > configure both your ~/.ideskrc file and to create your .lnk files. I > haven't done much testing on either tool, but they seem usable. > > On the other hand, I prefer my own version; I like being able to select > the icon visually, and none of the other apps give you that option. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is really a good option. I am eagerly waiting to check it once completed. Good Luck +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Wed Mar 4 09:42:14 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:37:15 -0500 To: "J.Bakshi" Cc: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] GUI for idesk ?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1597 Lines: 38 On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:16:08PM +0530, J.Bakshi wrote: > On Wednesday 04 Mar 2009 9:34:00 am Ben Okopnik wrote: > > > > > > One, however, was interesting: "idesktools" by Vadim A. Khohlov > > (http://icecc.sourceforge.net/idesktools.html) looks like a neatly-done > > Python app with reasonably good functionality which allows you to > > configure both your ~/.ideskrc file and to create your .lnk files. I > > haven't done much testing on either tool, but they seem usable. > > > > > On the other hand, I prefer my own version; I like being able to select > > the icon visually, and none of the other apps give you that option. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > This is really a good option. > I am eagerly waiting to check it once completed. Perhaps you should consider reading the Linux Gazette? :) http://linuxgazette.net/160/okopnik.html -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Wed Mar 4 09:49:56 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:45:12 -0500 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] GUI for idesk ?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 2161 Lines: 44 On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 04:20:02AM +0000, Samuel Bisbee-vonKaufmann wrote: > On 2009-03-03 at 2304 +0500, Ben Okopnik wrote: > >On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 07:14:42AM +0000, Thomas Adam wrote: > >> 2009/3/2 Ben Okopnik : > >> > So, if you're willing to wait a couple of days - our next issue comes > >> > out on the 1st - you'll have access to a very nice GUI for idesk. As far > >> > as I know, there isn't one available outside of that. > >> > >> "idconf" or some such name is what I recall of there being an idesk GUI. > > > >I've just searched around for 'idconf', and found a very poorly-written > >script (e.g., one of the entry fields is labeled 'Comma' - and you're > >supposed to figure out that it means 'Command'.) > > Really? 'Cause I usually read code with the assumption that all the > variable names are a 0,5 substring of the noun they represent. Maybe > that's just a byproduct of going through CS courses with a Java > curriculum instead of C++. Those gosh darn kernel hackers are just too > verbose with their comments and descriptive variable naming! Sam!!! Nice to see you, even when you're spouting absolute nonsense. :) [ Kat, over my shoulder: "What do you mean, 'even when'?" ] Yeah, Certain People should learn about 'Ctrl-N' in Vim or something similar. There's nothing illegal or immoral about long varnames, and given a reasonable programmer's editor, take no more to type than the short ones. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Wed Mar 4 21:18:02 2009 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:47:14 +0530 From: "Amit k. Saha" To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: [TAG] sts: Trying DTrace on Linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1771 Lines: 52 Hello all, Linux port of DTrace has been moving for some time now. I just tried the latest bits from ftp://crisp.dynalias.com/pub/release/website/dtrace and the initial impression is we got really cool stuff (in the making here). Besides, GCC, Kernel headers, you will need the following stuffs to compile and load the DTrace kernel module: `` * libelf-dev: Working with 'elf' files * zlib libraries: working with the zlib files * bison, flex '' Once you have got them, extract the sources and do: `` 1. make all 2. sudo make install 3. sudo make load '' If you do not see any error message, then the DTrace kernel module 'dtracedrv' has been correctly insrted.dtrace -l should display a long list of the currently available probes. Read the rest at http://amitksaha.blogspot.com/2009/03/dtrace-on-linux.html. (The code doesn't format properly here, hence the link to the blog) Best, Amit -- Amit Kumar Saha http://amitksaha.blogspot.com http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/ *Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in "Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme" --- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Thu Mar 5 09:18:46 2009 From: "J.Bakshi" To: Ben Okopnik Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:46:19 +0530 Cc: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] GUI for idesk ?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1649 Lines: 42 On Wednesday 04 Mar 2009 11:07:15 pm Ben Okopnik wrote: > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:16:08PM +0530, J.Bakshi wrote: > > On Wednesday 04 Mar 2009 9:34:00 am Ben Okopnik wrote: > > > > > > > > > One, however, was interesting: "idesktools" by Vadim A. Khohlov > > > (http://icecc.sourceforge.net/idesktools.html) looks like a neatly-done > > > Python app with reasonably good functionality which allows you to > > > configure both your ~/.ideskrc file and to create your .lnk files. I > > > haven't done much testing on either tool, but they seem usable. > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, I prefer my own version; I like being able to select > > > the icon visually, and none of the other apps give you that option. > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > This is really a good option. > > I am eagerly waiting to check it once completed. > > Perhaps you should consider reading the Linux Gazette? :) > > http://linuxgazette.net/160/okopnik.html Great !!! Thanks for the link +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Thu Mar 5 11:39:49 2009 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:38:38 -0300 From: Deividson Okopnik To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: [TAG] Squid problem (TCP_MISS 504) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1239 Lines: 30 Hello everyone. I just finished installing/configuring squid on a Ubuntu 8.10 server, and im having the following problem: Clients time-out when trying to access any webpage - access.log gives me: `` 179383 192.168.0.1 TCP_MISS/504 2898 GET http://www.google.com/ - DIRECT/209.85.193.104 text/html '' after reading about it, i thought adding no_cache allow localnet to my squid.conf file would fix the problem, but it doesnt (I already have an ACL saying localnet = 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 and an http_access allow localnet in the same config file) Anyone know what might be the problem? Thanks Deividosn +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Thu Mar 5 11:52:40 2009 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:51:54 +0000 From: Thomas Adam To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] Squid problem (TCP_MISS 504) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1552 Lines: 39 2009/3/5 Deividson Okopnik : > Hello everyone. > > I just finished installing/configuring squid on a Ubuntu 8.10 server, > and im having the following problem: > > Clients time-out when trying to access any webpage - access.log gives me: > 179383 192.168.0.1 TCP_MISS/504 2898 GET http://www.google.com/ - > DIRECT/209.85.193.104 text/html > > after reading about it, i thought adding no_cache allow localnet to my > squid.conf file would fix the problem, but it doesnt (I already have > an ACL saying localnet = 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 and an http_access > allow localnet in the same config file) > > Anyone know what might be the problem? I get paid to work with Squid, alas. It means that there wasn't an entry for it in Squid's cache at the point squid tried to serve the page to you. Generally you would fix this by rebuilding Squid's cache, as in: ``` squid -z -S ''' -- Thomas Adam +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Thu Mar 5 12:41:52 2009 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:40:58 -0300 From: Deividson Okopnik To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] Squid problem (TCP_MISS 504) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1278 Lines: 32 2009/3/5 Thomas Adam : > > I get paid to work with Squid, alas.  It means that there wasn't an > entry for it in Squid's cache at the point squid tried to serve the > page to you.  Generally you would fix this by rebuilding Squid's > cache, as in: > > ``` > squid -z -S > ''' > > -- Thomas Adam > Already did that - just did it again just incase, and it said all folders already exist (/var/spool/squid3/0X exists) - my cachedir is configured as cache_dir ufs /var/spool/squid3 2048 16 256 btw. Im guessing it is not forwarding the request (actually caching the files) - how can i check for that? or thats nonsense? +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Thu Mar 5 12:53:30 2009 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:52:00 +0000 From: Thomas Adam To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] Squid problem (TCP_MISS 504) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1630 Lines: 40 2009/3/5 Deividson Okopnik : > 2009/3/5 Thomas Adam : >> >> I get paid to work with Squid, alas.  It means that there wasn't an >> entry for it in Squid's cache at the point squid tried to serve the >> page to you.  Generally you would fix this by rebuilding Squid's >> cache, as in: >> >> ``` >> squid -z -S >> ''' >> >> -- Thomas Adam >> > > Already did that - just did it again just incase, and it said all > folders already exist (/var/spool/squid3/0X exists) - my cachedir is > configured as cache_dir ufs /var/spool/squid3 2048 16 256 btw. > > Im guessing it is not forwarding the request (actually caching the > files) - how can i check for that? or thats nonsense? Right. In that case it's likely a firewall issue. Squid still listens on port 8080 by default -- is that even open? At this point I would want to see your squid.conf file (grep -v '^#' squid.conf first though, please!) and your cache.log file for squid. -- Thomas Adam +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 6 05:09:46 2009 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:08:52 -0300 From: Deividson Okopnik To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] Squid problem (TCP_MISS 504) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1569 Lines: 40 woohooo :) It worked. Basically my proxy was configured to use another proxy (internet -> old proxy -> new proxy -> client) - that required authentication and everything - looks like that wasnt working alright (not sure what was wrong tho), but when i changed the proxy im configuring to another ip, bypassing the old proxy (that will be retired soon), all worked fine :) Thanks Thomas From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 8 03:29:21 2009 From: "J.Bakshi" To: The Answer Gang Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:56:55 +0530 Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: [TAG] [idesk] Background's file not found MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1406 Lines: 39 Hello Ben and all, I am now using icewm with idesk (Version: 0.7.5-4). My combination still missing the wallpaper. Everytime idesk reports `` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [idesk] Background's file not found. [idesk] Background's source not found. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ '' Though I have the proper path set there `` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Background.Delay: 1 Background.Source: /home/joy/pics/Father Background.File: /home/joy/pics/Father/love.jpg Background.Mode: Center Background.Color: #FFFFFF ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ '' I have even checked those image in kde and the image folder as the source of slideshow in kde. Everything running well. Don't know why idesk gives the error. Background color is blue which is provided by icewm !!! Any clue ? Thanks +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 8 03:31:42 2009 From: "J.Bakshi" To: The Answer Gang Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:59:19 +0530 Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: [TAG] how to convert from kmail to slypheed-claws ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 785 Lines: 18 Dear list, Is there any way to convert the emails ( maildir form ) and account information (pop3, smtps) stored in kmail to slypheed-claws ? Thanks +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 8 03:37:02 2009 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:36:34 +0000 From: Thomas Adam To: The Answer Gang Cc: j.bakshi@icmail.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] how to convert from kmail to slypheed-claws ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 976 Lines: 22 2009/3/8 J.Bakshi : > Dear list, > > Is there any way to convert the emails ( maildir form ) and account > information (pop3, smtps)  stored in kmail to slypheed-claws ? claws-mail (no longer called sylpheed-claws) supports these protocols, yes. Beyond confirming it, you'll have to set it up yourself. -- Thomas Adam +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 8 08:59:32 2009 From: "J.Bakshi" To: The Answer Gang Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:25:38 +0530 Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] how to convert from kmail to slypheed-claws ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1398 Lines: 32 On Sunday 08 Mar 2009 4:06:34 pm Thomas Adam wrote: > 2009/3/8 J.Bakshi : > > Dear list, > > > > Is there any way to convert the emails ( maildir form ) and account > > information (pop3, smtps)  stored in kmail to slypheed-claws ? > > claws-mail (no longer called sylpheed-claws) supports these protocols, > yes. Beyond confirming it, you'll have to set it up yourself. Thanks Thomas, I have no problem to setup the email accounts manually but I already have huge mails in kmail ( maildir format) because I have been using it since last a few years. That's why I'm in search of an application which can also convert maildir format to mbox. If claws-mail supports maildir then it would be only coping and pasting the folders. thanks +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 8 09:13:15 2009 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:10:58 +0100 From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] how to convert from kmail to slypheed-claws ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1548 Lines: 31 On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:25:38 +0530 "J.Bakshi" wrote: > I have no problem to setup the email accounts manually but I already > have huge mails in kmail ( maildir format) because I have been using > it since last a few years. That's why I'm in search of an application > which can also convert maildir format to mbox. If claws-mail supports > maildir then it would be only coping and pasting the folders. I'm using claws-mail for several years now and it can read both mbox and maildir (native format is maildir). claws can configure the mail-directory AND int can handle more than one. So you can either copy your whole maildir structure into the new mail dir (or even better point claws at the right directory containing your old mails). Or you can keep the old and new separate but available inside claws. mboxes can be opened/imported as necessary. You can also export as mbox. K.-H. +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 8 12:44:40 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:39:52 -0400 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] [idesk] Background's file not found MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 2894 Lines: 74 On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 03:56:55PM +0530, J.Bakshi wrote: > Hello Ben and all, > > I am now using icewm with idesk (Version: 0.7.5-4). My combination still > missing the wallpaper. Everytime idesk reports > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > [idesk] Background's file not found. > [idesk] Background's source not found. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Though I have the proper path set there > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Background.Delay: 1 > Background.Source: /home/joy/pics/Father > Background.File: /home/joy/pics/Father/love.jpg > Background.Mode: Center > Background.Color: #FFFFFF > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I have even checked those image in kde and the image folder as the source of > slideshow in kde. Everything running well. Don't know why idesk gives the > error. Background color is blue which is provided by icewm !!! > > Any clue ? Well, you've done two conflicting things here: you've told idesk to use a directory for a random image (and to flip that image every minute) and you've told it to use a fixed image, too. You should probably pick one of the two, although idesk probably has a standard way of choosing one. Since the background color is coming from IceWM, I suspect that idesk's background is being overwritten by the window manager - a common occurrence, actually, according to the idesk documentation. From /usr/share/idesk/dot.xsession: ``` # sample .xsession file # start idesk (we need the sleep because fluxbox will overpaint the # idesk with the rootCommand (sleep 2; idesk &) & # start fluxbox exec fluxbox exit $? ''' I suspect that the way you're starting these two leads to exactly that problem - and I suggest you resolve it as shown above (assuming you're using ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc.) If you're not, then you can start it in just the way I described it in a 2-cent tip here a couple of days ago: put a line that says 'idesk &' in your ~/.icewm/startup file and make sure that it's executable. You might, just for safety's sake, try '(sleep 2; idesk &) &' instead of just 'idesk &'; this will result in a 2-second delay before idesk starts up, but it will ensure the order in which IceWM and idesk run. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 8 13:18:33 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:14:01 -0400 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] how to convert from kmail to slypheed-claws ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1758 Lines: 42 On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 09:25:38PM +0530, J.Bakshi wrote: > On Sunday 08 Mar 2009 4:06:34 pm Thomas Adam wrote: > > 2009/3/8 J.Bakshi : > > > Dear list, > > > > > > Is there any way to convert the emails ( maildir form ) and account > > > information (pop3, smtps)  stored in kmail to slypheed-claws ? > > > > claws-mail (no longer called sylpheed-claws) supports these protocols, > > yes. Beyond confirming it, you'll have to set it up yourself. > > Thanks Thomas, > I have no problem to setup the email accounts manually but I already have huge > mails in kmail ( maildir format) because I have been using it since last a > few years. That's why I'm in search of an application which can also convert > maildir format to mbox. If claws-mail supports maildir then it would be only > coping and pasting the folders. I seem to recall that maildir is just separate RFC822-formatted messages. If it is, then the solution is simply ``` cat maildir/* > mbox ''' Otherwise, I'd imagine there are plenty of converters. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 689 Lines: 13 How do you format ftp or sftp for transfering files?... +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 8 13:47:57 2009 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:46:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Jackson To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] how to convert from kmail to slypheed-claws ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 2150 Lines: 62 On Sun, 8 Mar 2009, Ben Okopnik wrote: > On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 09:25:38PM +0530, J.Bakshi wrote: >> On Sunday 08 Mar 2009 4:06:34 pm Thomas Adam wrote: >>> 2009/3/8 J.Bakshi : >>>> Dear list, >>>> >>>> Is there any way to convert the emails ( maildir form ) and account >>>> information (pop3, smtps)  stored in kmail to slypheed-claws ? >>> >>> claws-mail (no longer called sylpheed-claws) supports these protocols, >>> yes. Beyond confirming it, you'll have to set it up yourself. >> >> Thanks Thomas, >> I have no problem to setup the email accounts manually but I already have huge >> mails in kmail ( maildir format) because I have been using it since last a >> few years. That's why I'm in search of an application which can also convert >> maildir format to mbox. If claws-mail supports maildir then it would be only >> coping and pasting the folders. > > I seem to recall that maildir is just separate RFC822-formatted > messages. If it is, then the solution is simply > > ``` > cat maildir/* > mbox > ''' Only if the RFC2822 formatted messages have the extra first line of form ``` From envelope-sender date-received ''' Otherwise, at the very least, you would need to... ``` date=`date`` for f in maildir/* ; do echo "From someone@someplace $date" >> mbox cat "$f" >> mbox done ''' assuming a bourne-like shell, and I'm sure a little perlery would get you the date of the email and, with luck, the envelope sender from some "X-Env-Sender:", or similar, header field. +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 8 13:53:14 2009 From: Lew Pitcher To: The Answer Gang Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:52:23 -0400 Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] How do you format ftp or sftp for transfering files?... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1558 Lines: 43 On March 8, 2009 16:23:26 Don Saklad wrote: > How do you format ftp or sftp for transfering files?... Hi, Don I don't understand your use of the word "format" Do you mean format as in "format a file or filesystem", or do you mean it as in "what should it look like"? Could you perhaps describe the problem you are trying to solve? And why you think ftp or sftp will help? Realize that both ftp and sftp require a client application on one side, and a server on the other. Are you asking what the client command should look like? Note also that normally, both ftp and sftp are interactive; the command invocation does not usually define all the file transfer requirements. -- Lew Pitcher Master Codewright & JOAT-in-training | Registered Linux User #112576 http://pitcher.digitalfreehold.ca/ | GPG public key available by request ---------- Slackware - Because I know what I'm doing. ------ +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 8 14:13:56 2009 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:13:09 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: Don Saklad Cc: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] How do you format ftp or sftp for transfering files?... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 870 Lines: 21 Quoting Don Saklad (dsaklad@gnu.org): > How do you format ftp or sftp for transfering files?... Why is a raven like a writing desk? (You should, please, rephrase your question so that its semantic payload is more easily understood.) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 8 15:17:19 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:12:33 -0400 To: The Answer Gang Cc: Don Saklad Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] How do you format ftp or sftp for transfering files?... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1142 Lines: 30 On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 02:13:09PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Don Saklad (dsaklad@gnu.org): > > > How do you format ftp or sftp for transfering files?... > > Why is a raven like a writing desk? Neither can be transferred via {s,}ftp? > (You should, please, rephrase your question so that its semantic payload > is more easily understood.) Yes indeed. We'd be happy to help you, Don, once we understand the question. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 8 15:33:12 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:28:31 -0400 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Cc: Don Saklad Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] How do you format ftp or sftp for transfering files?... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1389 Lines: 39 On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 04:52:23PM -0400, Lew Pitcher wrote: > > Note also that normally, both ftp and sftp are interactive; the command > invocation does not usually define all the file transfer requirements. Actually, that part's pretty easy. ``` ben@Tyr:~$ >FOOBAR ben@Tyr:~$ echo -e "cd /tmp\nput FOOBAR\n"|sftp ben@localhost Connecting to localhost... ben@localhost's password: sftp> cd /tmp sftp> put FOOBAR Uploading FOOBAR to /tmp/FOOBAR FOOBAR 100% 0 0.0KB/s 00:00 sftp> ben@Tyr:~$ ls /tmp/F* /tmp/FOOBAR ''' If I had the password for 'localhost' defined in my ~/.netrc, I wouldn't even have had to stop for that. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 8 16:28:32 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:58:52 -0400 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] how to convert from kmail to slypheed-claws ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 2050 Lines: 65 On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 08:46:37PM +0000, Jim Jackson wrote: > On Sun, 8 Mar 2009, Ben Okopnik wrote: > >> I seem to recall that maildir is just separate RFC822-formatted >> messages. If it is, then the solution is simply >> >> ``` >> cat maildir/* > mbox >> ''' > > Only if the RFC2822 formatted messages have the extra first line of form > > ``` > From envelope-sender date-received > ''' > > Otherwise, at the very least, you would need to... > > ``` > date=`date`` > for f in maildir/* ; do > echo "From someone@someplace $date" >> mbox > cat "$f" >> mbox > done > ''' Sure - I just did something like that for my recent 2-cent tip. ``` for file in maildir/* do sed '1i\'"$(echo From $USER $(date))" file >> mbox done ''' > assuming a bourne-like shell, and I'm sure a little perlery would get you > the date of the email and, with luck, the envelope sender from some > "X-Env-Sender:", or similar, header field. Reasonable idea, although most emails don't have an 'X-Env-Sender: ' field, and the 'Date: ' field isn't formatted correctly. In any case, neither the name nor the date in the 'From ' header doesn't seem to make any difference, so it can be anything at all - as long as it's formatted well. ``` D=`date` perl -wne'/^From: (.*)$/ && $u = $1; $m .= $_; END{ print "From $u $ENV{D}\n$m" }' maildir/* > mbox ''' -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 9 07:24:37 2009 From: Lew Pitcher To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, Don Saklad Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:23:14 -0400 Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] How do you format ftp or sftp for transfering files?... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1992 Lines: 53 On March 8, 2009 18:28:31 Ben Okopnik wrote: > On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 04:52:23PM -0400, Lew Pitcher wrote: > > Note also that normally, both ftp and sftp are interactive; the command > > invocation does not usually define all the file transfer requirements. > > Actually, that part's pretty easy. > > ``` > ben@Tyr:~$ >FOOBAR > ben@Tyr:~$ echo -e "cd /tmp\nput FOOBAR\n"|sftp ben@localhost [snip] True(ish) I've used something similar in a couple of my own projects. The drawback for "preloading" the responses to an interactive stream like this is that neither ftp nor sftp include a way to determine whether or not the commands worked. Had your sftp session not been able to connect to localhost, or not been able to cd to /tmp, the "preloaded" command stream would have failed, but /appeared/ to have worked. There /are/ (s)ftp clients that support scripting, and scripting languages (like perl and php, for instance) that support (s)ftp, so this potential flaw can be remedied. OTOH, the OP has yet to explain what he meant, so perhaps we are going down the wrong path. I guess time will tell. :-) -- Lew Pitcher Master Codewright & JOAT-in-training | Registered Linux User #112576 http://pitcher.digitalfreehold.ca/ | GPG public key available by request ---------- Slackware - Because I know what I'm doing. ------ +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 9 07:56:26 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:51:28 -0400 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Cc: Don Saklad Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] How do you format ftp or sftp for transfering files?... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 2589 Lines: 63 On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 10:23:14AM -0400, Lew Pitcher wrote: > On March 8, 2009 18:28:31 Ben Okopnik wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 04:52:23PM -0400, Lew Pitcher wrote: > > > Note also that normally, both ftp and sftp are interactive; the command > > > invocation does not usually define all the file transfer requirements. > > > > Actually, that part's pretty easy. > > > > ``` > > ben@Tyr:~$ >FOOBAR > > ben@Tyr:~$ echo -e "cd /tmp\nput FOOBAR\n"|sftp ben@localhost > [snip] > > True(ish) > > I've used something similar in a couple of my own projects. > > The drawback for "preloading" the responses to an interactive stream like this > is that neither ftp nor sftp include a way to determine whether or not the > commands worked. Had your sftp session not been able to connect to localhost, > or not been able to cd to /tmp, the "preloaded" command stream would have > failed, but /appeared/ to have worked. In the part that you snipped, there were responses from 'sftp' that showed where the commands succeeded. You could capture and/or test for those if you wanted to. Plain FTP can be made verbose as well: `` -v Verbose option forces ftp to show all responses from the remote server, as well as report on data transfer statistics. '' It seems like all of that is definitive and testable - although I'd agree that it's not as easy as it should be. > There /are/ (s)ftp clients that support scripting, and scripting languages > (like perl and php, for instance) that support (s)ftp, so this potential flaw > can be remedied. That would be the standard remedy from my perspective. Net::SSH2 under Perl handles all of that for me. > OTOH, the OP has yet to explain what he meant, so perhaps we are going down > the wrong path. I guess time will tell. :-) Hey, it's always fun to explore the alleys and the byways off the main drag. :) -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 9 08:12:06 2009 From: Lew Pitcher To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, Don Saklad Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:10:02 -0400 Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] How do you format ftp or sftp for transfering files?... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 3185 Lines: 77 On March 9, 2009 10:51:28 Ben Okopnik wrote: > On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 10:23:14AM -0400, Lew Pitcher wrote: > > On March 8, 2009 18:28:31 Ben Okopnik wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 04:52:23PM -0400, Lew Pitcher wrote: > > > > Note also that normally, both ftp and sftp are interactive; the > > > > command invocation does not usually define all the file transfer > > > > requirements. > > > > > > Actually, that part's pretty easy. > > > > > > ``` > > > ben@Tyr:~$ >FOOBAR > > > ben@Tyr:~$ echo -e "cd /tmp\nput FOOBAR\n"|sftp ben@localhost > > > > [snip] > > > > True(ish) > > > > I've used something similar in a couple of my own projects. > > > > The drawback for "preloading" the responses to an interactive stream like > > this is that neither ftp nor sftp include a way to determine whether or > > not the commands worked. Had your sftp session not been able to connect > > to localhost, or not been able to cd to /tmp, the "preloaded" command > > stream would have failed, but /appeared/ to have worked. > > In the part that you snipped, there were responses from 'sftp' that > showed where the commands succeeded. You could capture and/or test for > those if you wanted to. Plain FTP can be made verbose as well: > > `` > -v Verbose option forces ftp to show all responses from the remote > server, as well as report on data transfer statistics. > '' I hadn't thought about using post-analysis, but it sounds like it would work in most cases. I was thinking more of the inability to respond immediately to error conditions; if (in your example), the /tmp directory didn't exist, the "cd /tmp" would have failed, and your client session would potentially be left in the initial server-side directory. In this case, do you /really/ want the client to execute the "put FOOBAR"? FOOBAR might wind up in the wrong directory, necessitating some amount of clean-up that is cumbersome to perform after-the-fact. > It seems like all of that is definitive and testable - although I'd > agree that it's not as easy as it should be. True. And if you are confident enough in the stability of your preloaded commands (and/or your post-analysis recovery), there's no reason /not/ to use this sort of setup. As I said, I've done exactly that in a number of different projects. [snip] -- Lew Pitcher Master Codewright & JOAT-in-training | Registered Linux User #112576 http://pitcher.digitalfreehold.ca/ | GPG public key available by request ---------- Slackware - Because I know what I'm doing. ------ +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Tue Mar 10 09:05:11 2009 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:02:50 +0100 From: Predrag Ivanovic To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] Proxy + firewall configuration on linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1497 Lines: 37 On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:52:42 -0300 Deividson Okopnik wrote: >Hello everyone. > >Im needing to configure a temporary internet server here, and after >reading a lot, I'm kinda confused :P > >I need a non-transparent proxy (asks users for theyr username/pass), >with the ability to block access to certain pages and services (like >www.orkut.com or MSN), plus the ability to generate usage reports. Check out SafeSquid, it is 'Content Filtering Internet Proxy'. It can be used alone, and in combination with Squid. Version for internal use, up to 20 users, is free. There is a lot of documentation on the site[1], and feature comparasion of different editions is at [2]. [1]http://www.safesquid.com/html/portal.php [2]http://www.safesquid.com/html/portal.php?page=89 Pedja -- People usually get what's coming to them ... unless it's been mailed. +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Tue Mar 10 09:12:59 2009 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:12:00 +0000 From: Thomas Adam To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] Proxy + firewall configuration on linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1380 Lines: 32 2009/3/10 Predrag Ivanovic : > On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:52:42 -0300 > Deividson Okopnik wrote: > >>Hello everyone. >> >>Im needing to configure a temporary internet server here, and after >>reading a lot, I'm kinda confused :P >> >>I need a non-transparent proxy (asks users for theyr username/pass), >>with the ability to block access to certain pages and services (like >>www.orkut.com or MSN), plus the ability to generate usage reports. > > Check out SafeSquid, it is  'Content Filtering Internet Proxy'. > It can be used alone, and in combination with Squid. > Version for internal use, up to 20 users, is free. I'd go with DansGuardian myself (www.dansguardian.org) but then I am biased. :P -- Thomas Adam +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Tue Mar 10 09:54:51 2009 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:52:58 -0300 From: Deividson Okopnik To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] Proxy + firewall configuration on linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1354 Lines: 30 > On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:52:42 -0300 > Deividson Okopnik wrote: > >>Hello everyone. >> >>Im needing to configure a temporary internet server here, and after >>reading a lot, I'm kinda confused :P >> >>I need a non-transparent proxy (asks users for theyr username/pass), >>with the ability to block access to certain pages and services (like >>www.orkut.com or MSN), plus the ability to generate usage reports. > > Check out SafeSquid, it is  'Content Filtering Internet Proxy'. > It can be used alone, and in combination with Squid. > Version for internal use, up to 20 users, is free. I'd rather go with something really free - using squid atm, and it's working great :) (plus i have more than 20 users :X) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. 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Some more applications are missing and I am seeking your kind advise here. 1> what might be a little and fast sound mixer applet to use with icewm ? 2> A screen capture tool that can be fitted in icewm taskbar and have the features like ksnapshot. I still have problem with idesk. It can't provide the wallpaper though having the right path of Background file. It alwasy shows error like `` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [idesk] Background's file not found. [idesk] Background's source not found. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ '' Please suggest, Thanks +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Wed Mar 11 14:47:44 2009 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:46:51 +0000 From: Thomas Adam To: The Answer Gang Cc: j.bakshi@icmail.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] need your suggestion to select linux tools and configure idesk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1332 Lines: 31 2009/3/11 J.Bakshi : > Dear list, > > I am in a process to optimize my linux box with low fat tools. I have already > icewm running with geany editor, parcellite clipboard, audacious, aterm, > claws-mail.  Some more applications are missing and I am seeking your kind > advise here. > > 1> what might be a little and fast sound mixer applet to use with icewm ? These are generally hard to come by that aren't explicitly tied into GNOME or KDE -- you might find something in the adesklets stuff. > 2> A screen capture tool that can be fitted in icewm taskbar and have the > features like ksnapshot. Does this *really* have to be a systray thing? Use feh(1). -- Thomas Adam +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Wed Mar 11 16:19:45 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:14:26 -0400 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] need your suggestion to select linux tools and configure idesk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 2667 Lines: 65 On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 09:46:51PM +0000, Thomas Adam wrote: > 2009/3/11 J.Bakshi : > > Dear list, > > > > I am in a process to optimize my linux box with low fat tools. I have already > > icewm running with geany editor, parcellite clipboard, audacious, aterm, > > claws-mail.  Some more applications are missing and I am seeking your kind > > advise here. > > > > 1> what might be a little and fast sound mixer applet to use with icewm ? > > These are generally hard to come by that aren't explicitly tied into > GNOME or KDE -- you might find something in the adesklets stuff. I use 'cam' with a script that allows me to adjust it incrementally, 5% at a time - and I tie that script to 'Ctrl-Alt-A' (which triggers "voladj -u") and 'Ctrl-Alt-Z' ("voladj -d"). These are specified in my ~/.icewm/keys and adjust the volume up and down respectively. ``` #!/usr/bin/perl -w # Created by Ben Okopnik on Sat Jun 1 01:00:39 EDT 2002 die "Usage: ", $0 =~ /([^\/]+)$/, " -q|-u|-d\n" unless @ARGV && $ARGV[0] =~ /^-[qud]$/; # Save current volume level, which may be different from the .camrc... system qw/cam -save/ and die "Weirdness has occured: save failed. $!\n"; open RC, "$ENV{HOME}/.camrc" or die "Couldn't open ~/.camrc: $!\n"; # Read only the second line (volume) while (){ ( $vol ) = /(\d+)/ if $. == 2; } die "Volume is currently set at $vol%.\n" if $ARGV[0] =~ /^-q$/; $ARGV[0] =~ /u/ ? ( $vol > 95 ) || ( $vol += 5 ): ( $vol < 25 ) || ( $vol -= 5 ); system "cam -v $vol,$vol -p $vol,$vol -S $vol,$vol -c $vol,$vol" and die "cam: $!\n"; ''' > > 2> A screen capture tool that can be fitted in icewm taskbar and have the > > features like ksnapshot. > > Does this *really* have to be a systray thing? Use feh(1). Cool tool - thanks, Thomas! I'm not familiar with 'ksnapshot', but since GNOME is installed on my system, I just tied "/usr/bin/gnome-screenshot -i" to a toolbar icon (done in ~/.icewm/toolbar). -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 13 08:28:29 2009 From: "J.Bakshi" To: The Answer Gang Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:10:07 +0530 Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] need your suggestion to select linux tools and configure idesk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1936 Lines: 46 On Thursday 12 Mar 2009 3:16:51 am Thomas Adam wrote: > 2009/3/11 J.Bakshi : > > Dear list, > > > > I am in a process to optimize my linux box with low fat tools. I have > > already icewm running with geany editor, parcellite clipboard, audacious, > > aterm, claws-mail.  Some more applications are missing and I am seeking > > your kind advise here. > > > > 1> what might be a little and fast sound mixer applet to use with icewm ? > > These are generally hard to come by that aren't explicitly tied into > GNOME or KDE -- you might find something in the adesklets stuff. > > > 2> A screen capture tool that can be fitted in icewm taskbar and have the > > features like ksnapshot. > > Does this *really* have to be a systray thing? Use feh(1). Hello Thomas, Thanks for pointing out feh. It is really nice image viewer as well as fast, ligh-weight. I'm also looking into adesklets but puppy now a days draw my attention too. This distro also uses specially the tools which are fast and low fat. Regarding screen capture I'm really searching a tool/command so that I can add an icon in the toolbar and take screen shot when ever required. a command line tool can also solve this but I have no idea which tool can support region selection too. Thanks +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 13 09:22:51 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:17:58 -0400 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] need your suggestion to select linux tools and configure idesk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1599 Lines: 35 On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:10:07PM +0530, J.Bakshi wrote: > > I'm also looking into adesklets but puppy now a days draw my > attention too. This distro also uses specially the tools which are fast and > low fat. Except their security model sucks. Everything is done as root, and trying to turn it back into a "normal" system is just about impossible. Puppy is a cute demonstrator, but I wouldn't use it for anything more than that. > Regarding screen capture I'm really searching a tool/command so > that I can add an icon in the toolbar and take screen shot when ever > required. a command line tool can also solve this but I have no idea which > tool can support region selection too. 'xsnap' is really lightweight and has region selection and lots of other features. I got it from an old issue of LG, and it still works great: 'http://linuxgazette.net/issue67/evans.html'. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 13 10:33:53 2009 From: "J.Bakshi" To: The Answer Gang Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:01:17 +0530 Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] need your suggestion to select linux tools and configure idesk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 2192 Lines: 53 On Thursday 12 Mar 2009 10:10:07 pm J.Bakshi wrote: > On Thursday 12 Mar 2009 3:16:51 am Thomas Adam wrote: > > 2009/3/11 J.Bakshi : > > > Dear list, > > > > > > I am in a process to optimize my linux box with low fat tools. I have > > > already icewm running with geany editor, parcellite clipboard, > > > audacious, aterm, claws-mail.  Some more applications are missing and I > > > am seeking your kind advise here. > > > > > > 1> what might be a little and fast sound mixer applet to use with icewm > > > ? > > > > These are generally hard to come by that aren't explicitly tied into > > GNOME or KDE -- you might find something in the adesklets stuff. > > > > > 2> A screen capture tool that can be fitted in icewm taskbar and have > > > the features like ksnapshot. > > > > Does this *really* have to be a systray thing? Use feh(1). > > Hello Thomas, > > Thanks for pointing out feh. It is really nice image viewer as well as > fast, ligh-weight. I'm also looking into adesklets but puppy now a days > draw my attention too. This distro also uses specially the tools which are > fast and low fat. Regarding screen capture I'm really searching a > tool/command so that I can add an icon in the toolbar and take screen shot > when ever required. a command line tool can also solve this but I have no > idea which tool can support region selection too. I have found scrot :-) The combination of scrot+feh really rocks !! scrot+gpicview is also good but gpicvies is little bit slower than feh. +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 13 10:51:25 2009 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:50:46 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Cc: j.bakshi@icmail.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] need your suggestion to select linux tools and configure idesk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1699 Lines: 48 Quoting J.Bakshi (j.bakshi@icmail.net): > Regarding screen capture I'm really searching a tool/command so > that I can add an icon in the toolbar and take screen shot when ever > required. a command line tool can also solve this but I have no idea which > tool can support region selection too. I maintain a listing of options here: "Screen Capture" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Apps Items covered: `` o GIMP's "File: Acquire: Screen Shot" tool o xpaint o MagiCapture (requires ImageMagick) o Captura (proprietary) o Screen-Shooter (GNOME; requires ImageMagick) o "xwd | display -" or "sleep 10; xwd -root > dump" o KSnapshot (KDE) o fbshot (for framebuffer) o fbgrab (for framebuffer) o import (in ImageMagick) o Electric Eyes (GNOME; aka "ee") o EasyCopy (proprietary) o scrot o "cat /dev/vcs4 > screenshot" for virtual consoles (root user) o snapscreenshot for virtual consoles (root user -- unmaintained) o TiLP o vcsadump (for virtual consoles) o XScreenCapture o xsnap o Shutterbug o xv (proprietary) o Wink (proprietary, x86-only) '' +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 13 14:00:36 2009 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:59:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Jackson To: Linux Gazette TAG Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: [TAG] MacroMedia Flash and accessibility MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1288 Lines: 37 I know this is not strictly "Linux", but I think it's ok... What's the current thinking about Macromedia Flash and accessibility. I've done some googling and many accessibility guides I've found are fairly old, (> 5years). Reason I'm asking is that an organisation I help out has had someone volunteer to do them a new website. The initial new homepage is entirely macromedia flash. In general I'm severely prejudiced against flash, but I want to give them considered balanced advice that meets their requirements re. `` - accessibility - ability to do future changes/updates to info on the web pages '' any comments/advice welcome cheers Jim +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 13 14:45:40 2009 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:40:38 +0100 From: René Pfeiffer To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, jj@franjam.org.uk Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] MacroMedia Flash and accessibility MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1678 Lines: 47 On Mar 13, 2009 at 2059 +0000, Jim Jackson appeared and said: > > I know this is not strictly "Linux", but I think it's ok... Well, it runs on GNU/Linux, so why not? :) > [...] > In general I'm severely prejudiced against flash, but I want to give them > considered balanced advice that meets their requirements re. > > - accessibility > > - ability to do future changes/updates to info on the web pages > > any comments/advice welcome Adobe® Flash, CAPTCHAs and relying on images are generally a major showstopper for accessibility. During one of our annual GNU/Linux events here in Vienna we had talks focussing on accessibility. Most of the talkers (including blind ones) confirmed that. There are tons of best practices and standards from the W3C available: http://www.w3.org/WAI/guid-tech.html Most designers follow WAI standards (which can be quite hard). You could try some of the tools to test against accessibility compliance (http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/complete), it might give you some arguments. Best, René. +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 13 19:40:12 2009 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:39:16 -0300 From: Deividson Okopnik To: The Answer Gang , jj@franjam.org.uk Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] MacroMedia Flash and accessibility MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1677 Lines: 41 Plus google still cant read flash (they were developing a tool to be able to search for content inside a flash file, but i dont think its running yet) - no google is a really bad thing nowadays. From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 13 19:57:28 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:52:45 -0400 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] MacroMedia Flash and accessibility MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1308 Lines: 29 On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:39:16PM -0300, Deividson Okopnik wrote: > Plus google still cant read flash (they where developing a tool to be > able to search for content inside a flash file, but i dont think its > running yet) - no google is a really bad thing nowadays. [PRIVATE] Eeep. Deividson, please don't top-post; that's a bad, bad practice that breaks the order of discussion. [/PRIVATE] Google can certainly read at least some types of Flash. Try 'filetype:swf hello' as a search term, and you'll get lots of hits, with a tag that says "File Format: Shockwave Flash" right at the top. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 13 22:20:20 2009 From: "J.Bakshi" To: Rick Moen Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:47:31 +0530 Cc: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] need your suggestion to select linux tools and configure idesk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 2028 Lines: 58 On Friday 13 Mar 2009 11:20:46 pm Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting J.Bakshi (j.bakshi@icmail.net): > > Regarding screen capture I'm really searching a tool/command so > > that I can add an icon in the toolbar and take screen shot when ever > > required. a command line tool can also solve this but I have no idea > > which tool can support region selection too. Hello Rick, Thanks a lot for your list. I'll surely go through it. Yesterday I have configured scrot with feh as a screenshot :-) But I still miss the virtual console capture which is there in your list. Thanks From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 15 10:11:42 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:07:09 -0400 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Cc: "J.Bakshi" Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] need your suggestion to select linux tools and configure idesk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1162 Lines: 25 On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:47:31AM +0530, J.Bakshi wrote: > > Thanks a lot for your list. I'll surely go through it. Yesterday I have > configured scrot with feh as a screenshot :-) I'm curious: how did you set it up? Given the number of options that 'feh' offers (the templates you can define in ~/.fehrc and the way that symlinks trigger the template behavior is just a fantastic feature), combining the two sounds like a useful thing to do. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 16 09:07:54 2009 From: "J.Bakshi" To: Ben Okopnik Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:34:24 +0530 Cc: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] need your suggestion to select linux tools and configure idesk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1286 Lines: 29 On Sunday 15 Mar 2009 10:37:09 pm Ben Okopnik wrote: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:47:31AM +0530, J.Bakshi wrote: > > Thanks a lot for your list. I'll surely go through it. Yesterday I have > > configured scrot with feh as a screenshot :-) > > I'm curious: how did you set it up? Given the number of options that > 'feh' offers (the templates you can define in ~/.fehrc and the way that > symlinks trigger the template behavior is just a fantastic feature), > combining the two sounds like a useful thing to do. `` .icewm/toolbar ------------------------------ '' `` prog "screenshot" /usr/share/pixmaps/eye-16.xpm scrot -s -q 100 -e 'feh $f' '' +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 16 09:33:48 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:28:47 -0400 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Cc: "J.Bakshi" Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] need your suggestion to select linux tools and configure idesk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1918 Lines: 40 On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:34:24PM +0530, J.Bakshi wrote: > On Sunday 15 Mar 2009 10:37:09 pm Ben Okopnik wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:47:31AM +0530, J.Bakshi wrote: > > > Thanks a lot for your list. I'll surely go through it. Yesterday I have > > > configured scrot with feh as a screenshot :-) > > > > I'm curious: how did you set it up? Given the number of options that > > 'feh' offers (the templates you can define in ~/.fehrc and the way that > > symlinks trigger the template behavior is just a fantastic feature), > > combining the two sounds like a useful thing to do. > > .icewm/toolbar > ------------------------------ > > > prog "screenshot" /usr/share/pixmaps/eye-16.xpm scrot -s -q 100 -e 'feh $f' Very nice - thanks. They're both excellent programs with a pleasant UI and a nicely-rounded set of features, although I wish 'scrot' was documented a bit better: it supports the three features I want in a screenshot program (select area, snap window, snap everything) but mentions only one of them in the man page. Just FYI, right-clicking in a window after executing 'scrot -s' snaps that window, and right-clicking on the root window (the background) snaps everything. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 16 13:32:33 2009 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:31:53 -0300 From: Deividson Okopnik To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: [TAG] Folder Sync on Linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1287 Lines: 29 Hello TAG! Im doing some PHP coding on my machine, and I have apache running on another machine. I setup'ed a shared folder, and everytime i want to test something, I put it on the shared folder, then change to the other machine (on a KVM switch), and do "sudo cp -r * \var\www" and "sudo rm -r *" (on the shared folder of course), then switch back to my machine, and so on. Question is - is there any simple way of automatizing that? I didnt want complex systems, I wanted something that detected when there is any file in the shared folder, then moved it to /var/www. So, any of you got something that does that? Thanks for the attention Deividson +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 16 13:39:26 2009 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:36:52 +0000 From: Thomas Adam To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] Folder Sync on Linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1378 Lines: 31 2009/3/16 Deividson Okopnik : > Hello TAG! > > Im doing some PHP coding on my machine, and I have apache running on > another machine. I setup'ed a shared folder, and everytime i want to > test something, I put it on the shared folder, then change to the > other machine (on a KVM switch), and do "sudo cp -r * \var\www" and > "sudo rm -r *" (on the shared folder of course), then switch back to > my machine, and so on. > > Question is - is there any simple way of automatizing that? I didnt > want complex systems, I wanted something that detected when there is > any file in the shared folder, then moved it to /var/www. > > So, any of you got something that does that? inotify exists to do just that. -- Thomas Adam +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 16 13:40:48 2009 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:39:35 -0500 From: Michael Makuch To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] Folder Sync on Linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1019 Lines: 20 Deividson Okopnik wrote: > Im doing some PHP coding on my machine, and I have apache running on > [snip] other machine (on a KVM switch), and do "sudo cp -r * \var\www" and > [snip] "sudo rm -r *" (on the shared folder of course), then switch back to > Question is - is there any simple way of automatizing that? I didnt > Why not just share your DocumentRoot or /var/www directly? +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Tue Mar 17 08:00:18 2009 From: "J.Bakshi" To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:26:24 +0530 Cc: Ben Okopnik Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] need your suggestion to select linux tools and configure idesk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 2254 Lines: 47 On Tuesday 17 Mar 2009 12:08:31 pm JOYDEEP wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:34:24PM +0530, J.Bakshi wrote: > > On Sunday 15 Mar 2009 10:37:09 pm Ben Okopnik wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:47:31AM +0530, J.Bakshi wrote: > > > > Thanks a lot for your list. I'll surely go through it. Yesterday I > > > > have configured scrot with feh as a screenshot :-) > > > > > > I'm curious: how did you set it up? Given the number of options that > > > 'feh' offers (the templates you can define in ~/.fehrc and the way that > > > symlinks trigger the template behavior is just a fantastic feature), > > > combining the two sounds like a useful thing to do. > > > > .icewm/toolbar > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > prog "screenshot" /usr/share/pixmaps/eye-16.xpm scrot -s -q 100 -e 'feh > > $f' > > Very nice - thanks. They're both excellent programs with a pleasant UI > and a nicely-rounded set of features, although I wish 'scrot' was > documented a bit better: it supports the three features I want in a > screenshot program (select area, snap window, snap everything) but > mentions only one of them in the man page. Just FYI, right-clicking in a > window after executing 'scrot -s' snaps that window, and right-clicking > on the root window (the background) snaps everything. "scrot -s" also allow to select a region. It would be helpful if scrot change the normal mouse pointer to something else so that it will be nice to see that we are right now in capturing mode. You can also use gpicview replacing feh. gpicvies is little bit fancier. But feh is compareably faster than gpicview. +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Wed Mar 18 08:28:33 2009 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:26:48 -0300 From: Deividson Okopnik To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] Folder Sync on Linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 866 Lines: 20 2009/3/16 Michael Makuch : > Deividson Okopnik wrote: > > Why not just share your DocumentRoot or /var/www directly? > Didnt want to do that at the start, but ended up sharing it with a password. Thanks :) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Wed Mar 18 09:49:14 2009 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:15:55 +0530 From: "J. Bakshi" To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: [TAG] sts: adesklets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1308 Lines: 33 Dear all, I have already moved into icewm, idesk, claws-mail, aterm, VLC, audacious etc... with some other light application to realize speed in my linux box. `` CPU -- AMD Duron 1.5 GHz RAM -- 128 MB Swap -- 512 MB Video Shared memory -- 8 MB '' I'm happy to see the quick response time of my system ( comparably fast than kde ). I also like to add some nice look to my desktop with calendar, clock, volume control etc... Hence I am thinking to use adesklets as it is fast due to imlib2. I know some of you are using adesklets. What is your experience about it ? Is it a right choice to use it with a system which I have ? Please share your thoughts. Kindly CC to me. Thanks +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Thu Mar 19 04:08:25 2009 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:07:21 +0000 From: Jimmy O'Regan To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: [TAG] Google Summer of Code MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 806 Lines: 15 Google have announced the list of mentor organisations for this year's GSoC: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 Apertium is on it this year :) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 20 02:50:48 2009 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:49:50 +0700 From: Mulyadi Santosa To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: [TAG] how to read /dev/pts/x? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: O Content-Length: 1095 Lines: 29 Hi Gang... here's the situation: Suppose I log on into server A twice using same user ID (let's say johndoe). Technically, Linux in server A will create two /dev/pts for johndoe, likely /dev/pts/0 and /dev/pts/1 Is there any way that for johndoe in pts/0 to read what the other johndoe type in pts/1? Possibly in real time? Initially I thought it could be done by using "history" command (in bash shell), but it failed. Thanks in advance. regards, Mulyadi. +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 20 03:36:18 2009 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:55:06 +1300 From: Chris Bannister To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Cc: Don Saklad Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] How do you format ftp or sftp for transfering files?... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: O Content-Length: 1365 Lines: 34 On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 02:13:09PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Don Saklad (dsaklad@gnu.org): > > > How do you format ftp or sftp for transfering files?... > > Why is a raven like a writing desk? > > (You should, please, rephrase your question so that its semantic payload > is more easily understood.) **cough** I presume he means "configure". And sorry I don't know how -- there are probably many ways. http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- Chris. ====== I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 20 08:43:52 2009 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:42:29 +0100 From: Robos To: The Answer Gang , mulyadi.santosa@gmail.com Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] how to read /dev/pts/x? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: O Content-Length: 2120 Lines: 59 Am 20.03.2009 10:49 Uhr, schrieb Mulyadi Santosa: > Hi Gang... Hi Mulyadi and list, > here's the situation: > Suppose I log on into server A twice using same user ID (let's say > johndoe). Technically, Linux in server A will create two /dev/pts for > johndoe, likely /dev/pts/0 and /dev/pts/1 > > Is there any way that for johndoe in pts/0 to read what the other > johndoe type in pts/1? Possibly in real time? Initially I thought it > could be done by using "history" command (in bash shell), but it > failed. Two solutions: `` 1) first login does: screen second login does: screen -x '' Now both see the same and can fight over who controls the keyboard :) `` 2) take a look at conspy, there you can also specify to only watch the other login. '' Hope that helps, regards Robos +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 20 09:43:57 2009 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:42:33 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: Chris Bannister Cc: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, Don Saklad Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] How do you format ftp or sftp for transfering files?... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: O Content-Length: 2919 Lines: 62 Quoting Chris Bannister (mockingbird@earthlight.co.nz): > On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 02:13:09PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting Don Saklad (dsaklad@gnu.org): > > > > > How do you format ftp or sftp for transfering files?... > > > > Why is a raven like a writing desk? > > > > (You should, please, rephrase your question so that its semantic payload > > is more easily understood.) > **cough** > > I presume he means "configure". > And sorry I don't know how -- there are probably many ways. It's certainly possible that Don meant "configure" ("How do you configure ftp or sftp for transferring files?"), but that would leave entirely unclear what exactly the problem Don's trying to solve is. Ideally, someone posing such a problem online would say "I tried [foo], and then [bar], and what then resulted was [baz]", i.e., an explicit (but concise, please!) chronological account that we can reproduce to observe the symptom for ourselves. As it turns out, for all ftp and sftp clients of my acquaintance, no configuration is either necessary or useful, except sometimes putting ftp clients in "passive" mode to better deal with the more mulish firewalls. However, again, it might be possible to give a more meaningful answer if Don would say _which_ ftp and sftp clients he tried, and what specific conundrum he encountered. If the problem is solely that he hasn't yet tried any, maybe it's smarter to just do that, rather than hit up help resources about speculative, vaguely defined problems he thinks may or may not exist. > http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html I don't know if I'd put much stock in that essay: One of the co-authors is a Scandinavian, and my Tante Bjorg always warned me about them! By the way, the canonical suggested answer to the Mad Hatter's famous unanswered riddle ("Why is a raven like a writing desk?") was eventually provided by Martin Gardner in _The Annotated Alice_: "Because they were both written on by Poe." -- Cheers, Crypto lets someone say "Hi! I absolutely definitely have Rick Moen a name somewhat like the name of a large familiar rick@linuxmafia.com organization, and I'd like to steal your data!" and lots McQ! (4x80) of users will say "OK, fine, whatever." -- John Levine +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 20 21:16:35 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:11:39 -0400 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] how to read /dev/pts/x? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: O Content-Length: 1599 Lines: 39 On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 04:49:50PM +0700, Mulyadi Santosa wrote: > Hi Gang... > > here's the situation: > Suppose I log on into server A twice using same user ID (let's say > johndoe). Technically, Linux in server A will create two /dev/pts for > johndoe, likely /dev/pts/0 and /dev/pts/1 > > Is there any way that for johndoe in pts/0 to read what the other > johndoe type in pts/1? Possibly in real time? Initially I thought it > could be done by using "history" command (in bash shell), but it > failed. Have you considered 'script'? From the manpage: ``` -f Flush output after each write. This is nice for telecooperation: One person does 'mkfifo foo; script -f foo' and another can supervise real-time what is being done using 'cat foo'. ''' ...although I would just do 'script -f /tmp/foo' in one terminal and 'tail -f /tmp/foo' in the other one. Works great. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 20 21:44:30 2009 Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:13:14 +0530 From: Kapil Hari Paranjape To: The Answer Gang Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] how to read /dev/pts/x? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: O Content-Length: 1542 Lines: 40 Hello, On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Robos wrote: > Am 20.03.2009 10:49 Uhr, schrieb Mulyadi Santosa: > > Is there any way that for johndoe in pts/0 to read what the other > > johndoe type in pts/1? Possibly in real time? Initially I thought it > > could be done by using "history" command (in bash shell), but it > > failed. > 2) take a look at conspy, there you can also specify to only watch the > other login. 'conspy' only works for the console. It does this via the /dev/vcsa devices which are the console devices and *not* the /dev/tty devices which are the tty devices associated with the console. In addition to 'screen', this can also be achieved by 'ttysnoop' and more recently 'tmux'. In each case, the method by which 'johndoe' must "co-operate" with the snooping differs. This all for "two-way" interaction. For one way interaction, you can use the solution proposed by Ben. Regards, Kapil. -- +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 23 20:36:55 2009 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:04:17 +0530 From: Deepti R To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: [TAG] sts: Doubt... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 7393 Lines: 297 Hello, I have read the article of yours from http://linuxgazette.net/136/anonymous.html. I am trying to write a small driver program, i have written it, but little bit of redesigning is needed. So it would be great anyone of you can help me.. i am posting my question below .. I wrote a simple keyboard driver program, which detects the control k (CTRL + K) sequence [I have written the code to manipulate only ctrl + k]. I also have a simple application program which does a normal multiplication function. I need to invoke that application program from my driver when I press ctrl + k in my keyboard [once I press the ctrl + k, driver will send a SIGUSR1 signal to my application program. That will accept the signal and perform multiplication]. I could do that if I hardcode the pid of application progam [pid of a.out fille] in driver. Ie, inside the function kill_proc(5385, SIGUSR1, 0), the first parameter is the pid of application program. But this is not a correct method, every time I need to compile the application program open the driver add the pid to it, compile it using Makefile then insert the .ko file, it doesn't look good. I tried using -1 as the first parameter for kill_proc () [to send the SIGNAL to all the process that are listening], since my application program is also listening to the SIGNAL, ideally it should catch the SIGUSR1 signal and execute It, but it's not working* 1/4. Can you suggest any method to send the SIGUSR1 signal from my driver [which is in kernal spcae] to application program [which is in userspace]? Having an entry of pid to /proc also i can achieve this, but that is not a good design. :(, Can it be implemented through ioctl? I am pasting my codes below... ``` Driver code -------- --------- -------- #define __KERNEL_SYSCALLS__ #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #define LCTRL 0x04 #define RCTRL 0x08 #define CAPS 0x40 #define CAPSDOWN 0x80 #define SCRLED 0x01 #define NUMLED 0x02 #define CAPSLED 0x04 #define _write(f, buf, sz) (f->f_op->write(f, buf, sz, &f->f_pos)); #define WRITABLE(f) (f->f_op && f->f_op->write) ssize_t proc_write( struct file *filp, const char __user *buffer, unsigned long len, void * data ); int proc_read( char *page, char **start, off_t off, int count, int *eof, void *data ); unsigned char kmode = 0; static void do_self(int); static unsigned char key_map[] = { 0, 27, '1', '2', '3', '4', '5', '6', '7', '8', '9', '0', '-', '=', 127, 9, 'q', 'w', 'e', 'r', 't', 'y', 'u', 'i', 'o', 'p', '[', ']', 13, 0, 'a', 's', 'd', 'f', 'g', 'h', 'j', 'k', 'l', ';', ''', '`', 0, '', 'z', 'x', 'c', 'v', 'b', 'n', 'm', ',', '.', '/', 0, '*', 0, 32, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, '-', 0, 0, 0, '+', 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, '<', 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 }; static unsigned char shift_map[] = { 0, 27, '!', '@', '#', '$', '%', '^', '&', '*', '(', ')', '_', '+', 127, 9, 'Q', 'W', 'E', 'R', 'T', 'Y', 'U', 'I', 'O', 'P', '{', '}', 13, 0, 'A', 'S', 'D', 'F', 'G', 'H', 'J', 'K', 'L', ':', '"', '~', '0', '|', 'Z', 'X', 'C', 'V', 'B', 'N', 'M', '<', '>', '?', 0, '*', 0, 32, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, '-', 0, 0, 0, '+', 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, '>', 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 }; void do_keyboard(void) { unsigned char scancode,x; scancode=inb_p(0x60); x=inb_p(0x61); outb_p(x|0x80, 0x61); outb_p(x&0x7f, 0x61); outb(0x20, 0x20); if(scancode == 0x3A) { kmode|=CAPS; } if(scancode == 0xBA) { kmode&=(~CAPS); } if(scancode == 0x1D) { kmode |= RCTRL; kmode |= LCTRL; } if(scancode == 0x9D) { kmode&=(~RCTRL); kmode&=(~LCTRL); } do_self(scancode); } static void do_self(int sc) { unsigned char ch; int res; if (kmode & (LCTRL | RCTRL)) { ch = shift_map[sc]; } else ch = key_map[sc]; if (ch == 0) return; if (kmode & (LCTRL | RCTRL | CAPS)) /* ctrl or caps */ if ((ch >= 'a' && ch <= 'z') || (ch >= 224 && ch <= 254)) { ch -= 32; } if (kmode & (LCTRL | RCTRL)) { if (ch == 0x4b) { printk(KERN_INFO"detected ctrl+k n"); res = kill_proc(5853, SIGUSR1, 0); } } } static void my_irq_handler() { do_keyboard(); } int init_module() { int result; result = request_irq(1,(void *)my_irq_handler, IRQF_SHARED, "L1S keyboard",(void *)(my_irq_handler)); if(result !=0) { printk(KERN_ALERT"Not able to allocate IRQ"); return -1; } else { printk(KERN_ALERT"Success"); return 0; } } void cleanup_module() { free_irq(1,(void *)(my_irq_handler)); printk(KERN_ALERT"Freed IRQ"); } Application Program --------------- -------- #include #include #include #include #include #include #include volatile sig_atomic_t child_alive = 1; void mysignal_handler(int signum); void multiply (int a,int b); int x,y; int main (void) { switch (fork ()) { case -1: exit (3); case 0: if (setsid () == -1) { exit (4); } break; default: return 0; } if (signal (SIGUSR1, mysignal_handler) == SIG_IGN) { signal (SIGUSR1,mysignal_handler); } if (signal (SIGINT, mysignal_handler) == SIG_IGN) { signal (SIGINT,mysignal_handler); } while (child_alive) { pause(); } return 0; } void multiply (int a, int b) { int f1=a; int f2=b; int r=f1*f2; printf("\nResult of 5 * 10 = %d", r); } void mysignal_handler (int signum) { switch(signum) { case SIGUSR1: multiply(5,10); signal (signum, mysignal_handler); break; case SIGINT: printf("Captured SIGINT in mysignal_handler \n"); child_alive = 0; return; break; default: return; } } Makefile ------ ---- obj-m += kboard.o all: make -C /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build M=$(PWD) modules clean: make -C /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build M=$(PWD) clean '' Thanks, Deepti +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Tue Mar 24 15:52:50 2009 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:51:55 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: [TAG] Slight tweak to your editorial note MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 2317 Lines: 51 Almost not worth mentioning, but I've made a substantive albeit de-minimus addition to your editorial note, consisting of the words "non-root":

[ A common application of this would be to run a Web or FTP server chrooted in a directory like /home/www or /home/ftp; this provides an excellent layer of security, since even a malicious non-root user who manages to crack that server is stuck in a "filesystem" that contains few or no tools, no useful files other than the ones already available for viewing or downloading, and no way to get up "above" the top of that filesystem. This is referred to as a "chroot jail". -- Ben ] Take my word for it, without that qualifier, you'd attract quibbles from people repeating the usual mantra: "chroot(8) is not root safe." (Ditto the chroot() system call.) That is, the root user, and thus also any process that can escalate to UID0 privilege can trivially escape from any chroot jail: http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Abusing_chroot http://unixwiz.net/techtips/chroot-practices.html http://www.bpfh.net/simes/computing/chroot-break.html (You'll note that the article lists other ways of _indirect_ ways of escalating privilege, plus "Why would anyone put _that_ in a chroot jail?" methods such as "Follow a pre-existing hard link to outside the jail.") If you want to be _almost_ safe against kibbitzers writing in to say "chroot is not a security tool!" (another common mantra), amend your footnote to say that the tool must be used with care as some known means exist to attack it, and that it's no substitute for eschewing dangerous software and configurations. And maybe link to one or more of those links. +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Tue Mar 24 16:06:46 2009 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:06:16 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] Slight tweak to your editorial note MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 1115 Lines: 24 I wrote: > Almost not worth mentioning, but I've made a substantive albeit > de-minimus addition to your editorial note, consisting of the words > "non-root": Er, I actually meant to send that only to "ben@linuxgazette.net", but borrowed the headers from an old message that evidently had been CC'd to TAG. Fortunately, my general policy of not sending in e-mail anything you couldn't live with appearing on the front page of the _New York Times_ has paid off, yet again. ;-> +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Tue Mar 24 19:31:20 2009 From: Ben Okopnik Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:30:23 -0400 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Reply-To: The Answer Gang Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Subject: Re: [TAG] Slight tweak to your editorial note MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Status: RO Content-Length: 3426 Lines: 75 On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 03:51:55PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > Almost not worth mentioning, but I've made a substantive albeit > de-minimus addition to your editorial note, consisting of the words > "non-root": > >

[ A common application of this would be to run a Web > or FTP server chrooted in a directory like /home/www or > /home/ftp; this provides an excellent layer of security, since even a > malicious non-root user who manages to crack that server is stuck in a > "filesystem" that contains few or no tools, no useful files other than > the ones already available for viewing or downloading, and no way to get > up "above" the top of that filesystem. This is referred to as a "chroot > jail". -- Ben ] > > Take my word for it, without that qualifier, you'd attract quibbles from > people repeating the usual mantra: "chroot(8) is not root safe." > (Ditto the chroot() system call.) I can't imagine anyone stupid enough to run a web or FTP server as root - for that matter, many of them drop privs after startup anyway - but certainly, it's a point worth making. > That is, the root user, and thus also any process that can escalate to > UID0 privilege can trivially escape from any chroot jail: > http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Abusing_chroot > http://unixwiz.net/techtips/chroot-practices.html > http://www.bpfh.net/simes/computing/chroot-break.html Sure. I've got a chunk of chroot-breaking code in my "teaching files" directory; it's stupidly simple, actually. I've always found it somewhat offensive that it's that easy. > (You'll note that the article lists other ways of _indirect_ ways of > escalating privilege, plus "Why would anyone put _that_ in a chroot > jail?" methods such as "Follow a pre-existing hard link to outside the > jail.") [laugh] I _have_ seen sillier things ('vi' in a restricted shell, for example), but not often. > If you want to be _almost_ safe against kibbitzers writing in to > say "chroot is not a security tool!" (another common mantra), amend your > footnote to say that the tool must be used with care as some known means > exist to attack it, and that it's no substitute for eschewing dangerous > software and configurations. And maybe link to one or more of those > links. Not a bad idea; added. It would be nice if there was a mechanism as simple as chroot and that was secure enough to do - well, the kind of things that people normally do with it. It's rather scary to consider how many root-priv chroot accounts exist out there; I know someone who was hosting lots of shell/web accounts on their machine. The *default* login was 'root@...' - because it was "too much trouble" to help everybody set their stuff up otherwise. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. 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(208.181.70.31) by gamma.cluster.abccomm.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2009 01:10:46 -0000 From: Arild Jensen <2elnav@netbistro.com> To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Organization: 1 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:11:01 -0700 Message-Id: <1238202661.16755.6.camel@Arildlinux> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Received-SPF: pass (linuxmafia.com: domain of 2elnav@netbistro.com designates 204.239.167.103 as permitted sender) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: 2elnav@netbistro.com, The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 1144 Lines: 25 Ben Okopnik recommended a software program called "xoscope" and gave a link to a website showing how to build an input circuit or use a sound card. I now have the sound card microphone input working and the Xoscope display up; but the sounds from the mike goes to the speakers, not the xoscope display. What do I do to link the two? I'm a newcomer to Linux, so please go easy with the jargon. I installed UBUNTU only a month ago. I am still learning how to use it. regards Arild Jensen (user name elnav) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 27 19:14:44 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.com [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2S2EZcx012748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:14:37 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35305 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LnO3m-0006kG-WF ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:14:16 -0700 Received: from genetikayos.com ([64.246.26.120]:34842) by linuxmafia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LnO3L-0006jp-09 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:13:59 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain (genetikayos.com [64.246.26.120]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2S2DUKp012710; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:13:31 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by Tyr (bssmtp 0.3) with SMTP id 22532918; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:09:29 -0400 From: Ben Okopnik Message-ID: <20090328020924.GA15344@linuxgazette.net> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:09:24 -0400 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Mail-Followup-To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, 2elnav@netbistro.com References: <1238202661.16755.6.camel@Arildlinux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1238202661.16755.6.camel@Arildlinux> X-gazette-tag: Ben User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Received-SPF: none (linuxmafia.com: domain of ben@linuxgazette.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) Cc: 2elnav@netbistro.com X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 2350 Lines: 48 On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 06:11:01PM -0700, Arild Jensen wrote: > Ben Okopnik recommended a software program called "xoscope" and gave a > link to a website showing how to build an input circuit or use a sound > card. > I now have the sound card microphone input working and the Xoscope > display up; but the sounds from the mike goes to the speakers, not the > xoscope display. What do I do to link the two? > > I'm a newcomer to Linux, so please go easy with the jargon. I installed > UBUNTU only a month ago. I am still learning how to use it. Hi, Arild - nice to see you here! Unfortunately, I can't offer a whole lot of help for this problem: your problem doesn't have anything to do with Linux, just with the program's interface. Like every other program in every other operating system, 'xoscope' has its own controls and adjustments - and I'm not all that familiar with it. There are instructions in its manual page (go to the terminal and type 'man xoscope'), which also contains a description of the keys used to control it in the "RUN-TIME KEYBOARD CONTROLS" section. I found that figuring it out is a lot easier when you have a steady waveform to read - so I downloaded and ran a program called "siggen" (written by our own Jim Jackson - it's quite the nifty gadget!) After that, I started 'xoscope' and presto - I could see the waveform, and didn't need to click 'Run' or anything else. I did need to adjust the sensitivity to see more amplitude, but that's just how scopes work. Oh, and - it's OK for the sound to come out of the speakers. That doesn't interfere with the operation of 'xoscope' at all. Good luck! -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 27 19:53:50 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.com [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2S2rgAF014017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:53:45 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35717 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LnOft-00073y-J8 ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:53:37 -0700 Received: from genetikayos.com ([64.246.26.120]:35294) by linuxmafia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LnOfg-00073W-DF for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:53:27 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain (genetikayos.com [64.246.26.120]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2S2rAPB013971; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:53:12 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by Tyr (bssmtp 0.3) with SMTP id 11983248; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:49:11 -0400 From: Ben Okopnik Message-ID: <20090328024911.GA17292@linuxgazette.net> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:49:11 -0400 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Mail-Followup-To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, 2elnav@netbistro.com References: <1238202661.16755.6.camel@Arildlinux> <20090328020924.GA15344@linuxgazette.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090328020924.GA15344@linuxgazette.net> X-gazette-tag: Ben User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Received-SPF: none (linuxmafia.com: domain of ben@linuxgazette.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) Cc: 2elnav@netbistro.com X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 1717 Lines: 36 On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:09:24PM -0400, Benjamin Okopnik wrote: > > Like every other program in every other operating system, > 'xoscope' has its own controls and adjustments - and I'm not all that > familiar with it. On the other hand, a couple of minutes of messing around with it produced good results. Here's a screenshot with 'siggen', 'xoscope', and the 'xoscope' man page: http://okopnik.com/images/2009-03-27_1280x800.png I ran 'siggen' and set the frequency to 60Hz and the gain to 1.0; then, I ran 'xoscope', set the base level of channel 1 about half-way up in the top half of the display using the ']' key, and raised the vertical gain with the '}' key. Channel 2 (selected with '2') got much the same treatment on the bottom half of the screen. Last, I hit the space bar to set the trigger mode to "Run", which 'froze' the two waveforms on the screen. Not bad, even though the sound card is clipping the input signal - which I'm sure could be resolved with a bit more messing around. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 27 20:52:54 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.com [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2S3qdaP015903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:52:41 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36035 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LnPag-0007Lm-8w ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:52:18 -0700 Received: from genetikayos.com ([64.246.26.120]:35794) by linuxmafia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LnPaN-0007Kz-HA for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:52:07 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain (genetikayos.com [64.246.26.120]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2S3pjsR015854; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:51:46 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by Tyr (bssmtp 0.3) with SMTP id 97638113; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:47:45 -0400 From: Ben Okopnik Message-ID: <20090328034744.GA18764@linuxgazette.net> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:47:45 -0400 To: The Answer Gang Mail-Followup-To: The Answer Gang , 2elnav@netbistro.com References: <1238202661.16755.6.camel@Arildlinux> <20090328020924.GA15344@linuxgazette.net> <20090328024911.GA17292@linuxgazette.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Received-SPF: none (linuxmafia.com: domain of ben@linuxgazette.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) Cc: 2elnav@netbistro.com X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 2200 Lines: 49 [ Hi, Arild - please make sure to include the list in your response. Thanks! ] On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:19:06PM -0700, 2elnav@netbistro.com wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Okopnik" >> On the other hand, a couple of minutes of messing around with it >> produced good results. Here's a screenshot with 'siggen', 'xoscope', and >> the 'xoscope' man page: >> >> http://okopnik.com/images/2009-03-27_1280x800.png > > I have been screweing about with it for half an hour and gotten no where. > I am obviously missing something fundamental to using linux. Nope. Just the program. The fact that you have a way to interact with your computer - whether via menus, command line, icons, or whatever - means that you're not having a problem with Linux. If you _were_ having a problem with Linux, you'd get some high-powered artillery backing you up: there's a bunch of smart, knowledgeable people on this list who are quite expert in various aspects of Linux. Since you're not, there isn't a huge amount of help available - except, perhaps, in the 'xoscope'-related forums: http://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=7547 > For example starting at the Ubuntu desk top where is the command line > to enter "SIGGEN". In the terminal - and it would be 'siggen' (lower case.) In fact, in my opinion, it's best to run any program that you're not sure of in the terminal; that way, if there are any error messages or warnings, you'll see them printed out. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 27 21:50:43 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.COM [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2S4oahq017664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:50:38 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36334 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LnQUz-000830-R3 ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:50:29 -0700 Received: from gamma.cluster.abccomm.com ([204.239.167.103]:65068) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LnQUb-00082j-22 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:50:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 14396 invoked by uid 89); 28 Mar 2009 04:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ARLD) (208.181.70.31) by gamma.cluster.abccomm.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2009 04:49:53 -0000 Message-ID: <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> From: <2elnav@netbistro.com> To: "Ben Okopnik" , "The Answer Gang" References: <1238202661.16755.6.camel@Arildlinux> <20090328020924.GA15344@linuxgazette.net> <20090328024911.GA17292@linuxgazette.net> <20090328034744.GA18764@linuxgazette.net> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:49:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Received-SPF: pass (linuxmafia.com: domain of 2elnav@netbistro.com designates 204.239.167.103 as permitted sender) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=no version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 3779 Lines: 87 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Okopnik" >[ Hi, Arild - please make sure to include the list in your response. > Thanks! ] > >> I am obviously missing something fundamental to using linux. > > Nope. Just the program. The fact that you have a way to interact with > your computer - whether via menus, command line, icons, or whatever - > means that you're not having a problem with Linux. REPLY I meant to say I am missing something fundamental in my comprehension of Linux. Not that a fundamental parto of Linux was missing. I found a terminal and opened it. Typed in siggen. It then told me to type in < sudo apt-get install tripwire >. ?? Wazzat? I don't know about any tripwire. It then tells me to bash siggen. Its confusing to me. What's with the bashing??? Smash it with my fist or use a hammer?? Come on; that's teenage jargon of the lower class sort. Not worthy of real engineers. And who but engineers would try to use an oscope in the first place. Hence my earlier question to you about a lexicon for us Windoze refugees trying to get ahead in the computer world. Then it prints [sudo] password for Arild but when I enter the password it comes back at me saying the program (password) is currently not installed. Well of course not; it's a password! Again it's a lot of insider jargon and verbal short cuts. I'm not a twenty year old college student into jive ( or should that be linux ) talk. I do speak the Queen's english properly, although it is my second language. Yeah I eventually got it but it took a while. I am trying to promote a shift to Linux but this kind of thing puts of many of my contemporaries off. They are barely comfortable with windows but at least microsoft sometimes tries to use plain english. This is probably one of th ebig stumboling blocks to widespread acceptance by the genral population. Two of my friends uninstalled Ubuntu for that very reason. It was hard enough to convince them to try it at all. @#$ Note: I've done a bit of cleaing up in Arild's posts, for reader ease. -- Kat $#@ > If you _were_ having a problem with Linux, you'd get some high-powered > artillery backing you up: there's a bunch of smart, knowledgeable people on > this list who are quite expert in various aspects of Linux. Since you're > not, there isn't a huge amount of help available - except, perhaps, in the > 'xoscope'-related forums: > > http://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=7547 > In the terminal - and it would be 'siggen' (lower case.) In fact, in my > opinion, it's best to run any program that you're not sure of in the > terminal; that way, if there are any error messages or warnings, you'll > see them printed out. > * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * After i finally got the Tripwire thing going after a lot of minutes it get to the point of askign me for a key phrase only to reject it by saying it is not an existing file or directory. ????????? Very frustrating. People my age are not usually possessed of a photographic memory. Computer geeks tend to forget that when writing program for use by the general public. cheers Arild . +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 27 22:52:11 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.COM [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2S5q3iD019457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:52:05 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36627 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LnRSF-0008Fj-Ou ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:51:44 -0700 Received: from genetikayos.com ([64.246.26.120]:36867) by linuxmafia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LnRRO-0008F4-Lo for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:51:31 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain (genetikayos.com [64.246.26.120]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2S5oTZT019428; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:50:30 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by Tyr (bssmtp 0.3) with SMTP id 36849416; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 01:46:32 -0400 From: Ben Okopnik Message-ID: <20090328054631.GA24000@linuxgazette.net> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 01:46:32 -0400 To: 2elnav@netbistro.com Mail-Followup-To: 2elnav@netbistro.com, The Answer Gang References: <1238202661.16755.6.camel@Arildlinux> <20090328020924.GA15344@linuxgazette.net> <20090328024911.GA17292@linuxgazette.net> <20090328034744.GA18764@linuxgazette.net> <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> X-gazette-tag: Ben User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Received-SPF: none (linuxmafia.com: domain of ben@linuxgazette.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) Cc: The Answer Gang X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 5586 Lines: 116 On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 09:49:57PM -0700, 2elnav@netbistro.com wrote: > > I found a terminal and opened it. Typed in siggen. > It then told me to type in < sudo apt-get install tripwire >. > ?? Wazzat? I don't know about any tripwire. Arild, I honestly have no idea of what you're doing on your system - except that your results make no sense whatsoever. 'tripwire' has absolutely nothing to do with 'siggen', and no conceivable action related to 'siggen' would cause the system to tell you to install 'tripwire'. > It then tells me to bash siggen. Its confusing to me. Well, no - it didn't tell you to "bash siggen". I'd appreciate it if you'd actually copy and paste the messages that you're getting - that's standard protocol when asking for help - rather than (mis)quoting what you saw. > What's with the bashing??? Smash it with my fist or use a hammer?? > > Come on; that's teenage jargon of the lower class sort. Not worthy of > real engineers. What's with the misreading? That's not worthy of real engineers. You wouldn't just pick some random numbers to put on a schematic, right? In fact, you'd be very precise about part numbers, values, tolerances, and so on - at least if you wanted to be understood. The same applies here, to an even greater degree. > And who but engineers would try to use an oscope in the first place. > Hence my earlier question to you about a lexicon for us Windoze refugees > trying to get ahead in the computer world. Can you show me the kind of lexicon you're talking about for Windows? Once you do, I'll be happy to point you to an equivalent one for Linux. > Then it prints [sudo] password for Arild but when I enter the password > it comes back at me saying the program (password) is currently not > installed. Well of course not; it's a password! Again, you're misquoting. I realize you're frustrated, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't keep blasting us with your frustration instead of supplying accurate information. "It" didn't print "[sudo] password for Arild"; in fact, I have no idea what you saw except that it wasn't what you've said here. What it sounds like - and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - is that you didn't enter the password when you were prompted; instead, you typed the word "password", possibly followed by your password, at the command line. Unsurprisingly, you got an error message; random pounding on a keyboard does that. I have no idea how you got into this tripwire/sudo/password/etc. round of errors, but whatever that's about, you need to stop, take a deep breath, and reapproach it with care and attention. You know, just like engineering. > Again it's a lot of insider jargon and verbal short cuts. I'm not a > twenty year old college student into jive ( or should that be linux ) > talk. Y'know, that's pretty unpleasant language. It implies that the rest of us are students who are into jargon, etc. I *strongly* suggest that you stop venting your frustration here; this isn't the place for it, and doing so will result in return unpleasantness. > I am trying to promote a shift to Linux but this kind of thing puts of > many of my contemporaries off. You may consider yourself as promoting a shift to Linux; in reality, given what you've said here, you're promoting a hostile attitude toward it instead. In fact, you have a very serious flaw in your understanding of how this works, and a badly-mistaken social approach based on that flaw. See, none of us gain anything if you or your friends use Linux, and we lose nothing if you don't. Frankly, we don't really care. We _do_ like to foster a sense of community by helping people who have problems with Linux, but we don't owe it to them; in fact, anyone coming here to ask for help owes _us_ - at least by the rules of common politeness. And yet, we sometimes get people coming in here with a belligerent sense of entitlement, *demanding* that we help them and throwing their frustration at us as if to beat us "jargon-using students" into quaking compliance with their demands. People who do that usually get laughed at and ridiculed for their pains. The only reason I've remained civil throughout is because you and I have had pleasant off-list conversations - where, I note, you _never_ displayed behavior like this. Now, you can either stomp out of here (which would be the classic pusillanimous behavior in such cases), or you can start behaving in a reasonable manner. That would include being polite, asking questions in an informative manner - remember when I told you about that being an important requirement? - and expressing gratitude for the help that you're given (which, I note, you still owe: I've already helped you with several issues, and you haven't said "thank you" yet.) _That_ would be behavior consistent with rationality and maturity worthy of a real engineer. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Fri Mar 27 23:35:28 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.com [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2S6ZL9i020992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:35:22 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36875 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LnS8N-0008Op-J9 ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:35:15 -0700 Received: from rick by linuxmafia.com with local (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LnS8B-0008OO-W6 by authid ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:35:00 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:34:59 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: Ben Okopnik Message-ID: <20090328063458.GQ6710@linuxmafia.com> References: <1238202661.16755.6.camel@Arildlinux> <20090328020924.GA15344@linuxgazette.net> <20090328024911.GA17292@linuxgazette.net> <20090328034744.GA18764@linuxgazette.net> <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> <20090328054631.GA24000@linuxgazette.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090328054631.GA24000@linuxgazette.net> X-Mas: Bah humbug. X-gazette-tag: Rick Moen User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 Cc: The Answer Gang , 2elnav@netbistro.com X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 2659 Lines: 51 I'm afraid I'm coming in late on this thread, and am not clear on what Arild's problem is, either. (Arild, my sincere regrets that you're having a difficult time with something.) I happened to spot one thing in Ben's post I might usefully comment on -- even though I completely lack the larger context of this discussion: Quoting Ben Okopnik (ben@linuxgazette.net): > > I found a terminal and opened it. Typed in siggen. > > It then told me to type in < sudo apt-get install tripwire >. > > ?? Wazzat? I don't know about any tripwire. > > Arild, I honestly have no idea of what you're doing on your system - > except that your results make no sense whatsoever. 'tripwire' has > absolutely nothing to do with 'siggen', and no conceivable action > related to 'siggen' would cause the system to tell you to install > 'tripwire'. Back when I was spending time working with the extremely human-hostile, ponderous, cryptic intrusion detection system (IDS) called Tripwire, written eons ago by Eugene Kim and Gene Spafford at Purdue University, I learned it furnished a number of utilities to handle its crypto encoding and signing of all files. Chief among them was siggen(8), which calculates CRC32, MD5, SHA1, and HAVAL hash values of any target file. I have no idea what specific "it" advised Arild to install the Tripwire package, but it (well, part of it) makes a weird, backwards kind of sense, I suppose -- albeit I find it unlikely that Arild actually intends to work with siggen or any other aspect of Tripwire. To support what you said, it seems difficult to determine from Arild's account what he was doing, what he was trying to accomplish, or what happened, for lack of coherent detail. -- Cheers, Crypto lets someone say "Hi! I absolutely definitely have Rick Moen a name somewhat like the name of a large familiar rick@linuxmafia.com organization, and I'd like to steal your data!" and lots McQ! (4x80) of users will say "OK, fine, whatever." -- John Levine +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. 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([58.175.177.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n20sm7970996pof.3.2009.03.28.07.45.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 28 Mar 2009 07:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49CE37FE.9070708@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:45:18 +1100 From: Jason Wigg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090322) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The Answer Gang References: <1238202661.16755.6.camel@Arildlinux> <20090328020924.GA15344@linuxgazette.net> <20090328024911.GA17292@linuxgazette.net> <20090328034744.GA18764@linuxgazette.net> <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> <20090328054631.GA24000@linuxgazette.net> <20090328063458.GQ6710@linuxmafia.com> In-Reply-To: <20090328063458.GQ6710@linuxmafia.com> Received-SPF: pass (linuxmafia.com: domain of jw5801@gmail.com designates 209.85.198.234 as permitted sender) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 2066 Lines: 36 On 03/28/2009 05:34 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Back when I was spending time working with the extremely > human-hostile, ponderous, cryptic intrusion detection system (IDS) > called Tripwire, written eons ago by Eugene Kim and Gene Spafford at > Purdue University, I learned it furnished a number of utilities to > handle its crypto encoding and signing of all files. Chief among them > was siggen(8), which calculates CRC32, MD5, SHA1, and HAVAL hash > values of any target file. > I have no idea what specific "it" advised Arild to install the Tripwire > package, but it (well, part of it) makes a weird, backwards kind of > sense, I suppose -- albeit I find it unlikely that Arild actually > intends to work with siggen or any other aspect of Tripwire. > > To support what you said, it seems difficult to determine from Arild's > account what he was doing, what he was trying to accomplish, or what > happened, for lack of coherent detail. If presented with a call to a command that bash can't find, the Ubuntu flavour of apt will attempt to identify the package that would contain said command, and recommend that the user "sudo apt-get install $(package)". So in this case, it would appear that the package that was found was tripwire, and when attempting to follow the instructions Arild muddled up his password at the prompt and was presented with a confusing message. At least, that's my understanding of the scenario, anyway. +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sat Mar 28 08:02:03 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.COM [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2SF1ujF004326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:01:58 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39768 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1Lna2c-0001jZ-F2 ; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:01:50 -0700 Received: from genetikayos.com ([64.246.26.120]:41739) by linuxmafia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1Lna2O-0001jP-GB for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:01:39 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain (genetikayos.com [64.246.26.120]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2SF1N21004283 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:01:24 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by Tyr (bssmtp 0.3) with SMTP id 31182703; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:57:19 -0400 From: Ben Okopnik Message-ID: <20090328145717.GA16097@linuxgazette.net> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:57:17 -0400 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Mail-Followup-To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net References: <1238202661.16755.6.camel@Arildlinux> <20090328020924.GA15344@linuxgazette.net> <20090328024911.GA17292@linuxgazette.net> <20090328034744.GA18764@linuxgazette.net> <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> <20090328054631.GA24000@linuxgazette.net> <20090328063458.GQ6710@linuxmafia.com> <49CE37FE.9070708@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49CE37FE.9070708@gmail.com> X-gazette-tag: Ben User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Received-SPF: none (linuxmafia.com: domain of ben@linuxgazette.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 1702 Lines: 34 On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 01:45:18AM +1100, Jason Wigg wrote: > > If presented with a call to a command that bash can't find, the Ubuntu > flavour of apt will attempt to identify the package that would contain > said command, and recommend that the user "sudo apt-get install > $(package)". So in this case, it would appear that the package that was > found was tripwire, and when attempting to follow the instructions Arild > muddled up his password at the prompt and was presented with a confusing > message. At least, that's my understanding of the scenario, anyway. Just to give a little context here: in a previous exchange, I told Arild to install Jim Jackson's "siggen" and even gave him the specific command line for doing so. Clearly, he failed to do that - so the "command-not-found" program (that's its actual name, believe it or not) told him (incorrectly) to install 'tripwire'. My fault for assuming that people asking for help will actually follow instructions, I guess... -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sat Mar 28 11:36:15 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.COM [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2SIa8Aa012172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:36:10 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41107 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LndNs-0002Vu-8m ; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:35:59 -0700 Received: from rick by linuxmafia.com with local (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LndNm-0002Vk-VZ by authid for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:35:50 -0700 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:35:50 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Message-ID: <20090328183550.GT6710@linuxmafia.com> References: <1238202661.16755.6.camel@Arildlinux> <20090328020924.GA15344@linuxgazette.net> <20090328024911.GA17292@linuxgazette.net> <20090328034744.GA18764@linuxgazette.net> <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> <20090328054631.GA24000@linuxgazette.net> <20090328063458.GQ6710@linuxmafia.com> <49CE37FE.9070708@gmail.com> <20090328145717.GA16097@linuxgazette.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090328145717.GA16097@linuxgazette.net> X-Mas: Bah humbug. X-gazette-tag: Rick Moen User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 1355 Lines: 27 Quoting Ben Okopnik (ben@linuxgazette.net): > My fault for assuming that people asking for help will actually follow > instructions, I guess... And a reminder that one of the reason we ask people to be specific in their problem reports is that the phrase "it didn't work" often _does_ conceal an utter failure to bother following instructions, leading to wasting of the helper's time, in addition to the un-diligent user. -- Cheers, "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first Rick Moen woman she meets, and then teams up with three complete strangers rick@linuxmafia.com to kill again." -- Rick Polito's That TV Guy column, describing the movie _The Wizard of Oz_ +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. 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X-gazette-tag: Rick Moen User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 1103 Lines: 23 Quoting Rick Moen (rick@linuxmafia.com): > And a reminder that one of the reason we ask people to be specific in > their problem reports is that the phrase "it didn't work" often _does_ > conceal an utter failure to bother following instructions, leading to > wasting of the helper's time, in addition to the un-diligent user. `` ^ that of '' ...although, at times, wasting verbally-abusive users _does_ have its attractions. +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. 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Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 29 05:01:33 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.COM [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2TC1AvW018157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:01:20 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45737 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1Lntgq-0005BU-95 ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:00:40 -0700 Received: from mahler.earthlight.co.nz ([202.36.170.3]:36788 helo=mahler2.earthlight.co.nz) by linuxmafia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LntgG-0005B9-He for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:00:25 -0700 Received: from [202.124.106.195] (helo=box) by mahler2.earthlight.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lntf0-0006jt-Ge for tag@lists.linuxgazette.net; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:59:03 +1300 Received: by box (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1B31756AB4; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:19:09 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:19:09 +1300 From: Chris Bannister To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Message-ID: <20090329121909.GA3871@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090328020924.GA15344@linuxgazette.net> <20090328024911.GA17292@linuxgazette.net> <20090328034744.GA18764@linuxgazette.net> <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> <20090328054631.GA24000@linuxgazette.net> <20090328063458.GQ6710@linuxmafia.com> <49CE37FE.9070708@gmail.com> <20090328145717.GA16097@linuxgazette.net> <20090328183550.GT6710@linuxmafia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090328183550.GT6710@linuxmafia.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Received-SPF: none (linuxmafia.com: domain of mockingbird@earthlight.co.nz does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 1450 Lines: 32 On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:35:50AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > And a reminder that one of the reason we ask people to be specific in > their problem reports is that the phrase "it didn't work" often _does_ > conceal an utter failure to bother following instructions, leading to > wasting of the helper's time, in addition to the un-diligent user. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Is there such a word as undiligent or is that YANAW[1] See http://www.synonym.com/antonym/diligent/ [1] Yet Another New American Word -- Chris. ====== I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. 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X-gazette-tag: Rick Moen User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 Cc: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 1715 Lines: 37 Quoting Chris Bannister (mockingbird@earthlight.co.nz): > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:35:50AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > And a reminder that one of the reason we ask people to be specific in > > their problem reports is that the phrase "it didn't work" often _does_ > > conceal an utter failure to bother following instructions, leading to > > wasting of the helper's time, in addition to the un-diligent user. > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Is there such a word as undiligent or is that YANAW[1] First of all, I did not use the non-word "undiligent": You did. My OED claims that the word "diligent" and the prefix "un-" do exist in the English language. If you've never seen them in company before, this can be a new thing in your life. You're welcome. Second, if anyone needs to be blamed for my education, it'd need to be the British, whose state school in Hong Kong I had the honour of attending. (I have no complaints.) -- Cheers, find / -user your -name base -print | xargs chown us:us Rick Moen rick@linuxmafia.com +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. 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REPLY HOW DO I DO THAT? @#$ I've taken the liberty again here of correting Arild's formatting problem, wherein the quoted text isn't properly marked off. -- Kat $#@ +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 29 06:49:44 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.COM [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2TDnaUd021208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:49:38 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46450 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LnvNq-0005bP-Iq ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:49:14 -0700 Received: from genetikayos.com ([64.246.26.120]:54879) by linuxmafia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LnvMz-0005aa-AC for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:48:52 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain (genetikayos.com [64.246.26.120]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2TDm2fR021127; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:48:03 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by Tyr (bssmtp 0.3) with SMTP id 98330898; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:44:01 -0400 From: Ben Okopnik Message-ID: <20090329134358.GA7546@linuxgazette.net> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:43:58 -0400 To: 2elnav@netbistro.com Mail-Followup-To: 2elnav@netbistro.com, The Answer Gang References: <1238202661.16755.6.camel@Arildlinux> <20090328020924.GA15344@linuxgazette.net> <20090328024911.GA17292@linuxgazette.net> <20090328034744.GA18764@linuxgazette.net> <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> <20090328054631.GA24000@linuxgazette.net> <61006.208.181.70.31.1238303284.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <61006.208.181.70.31.1238303284.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> X-gazette-tag: Ben User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Received-SPF: none (linuxmafia.com: domain of ben@linuxgazette.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) Cc: The Answer Gang X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 2104 Lines: 49 On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:08:04PM -0700, 2elnav@netbistro.com wrote: > > > Arild, I'd appreciate it if you'd actually copy and paste the messages > > that you're getting - that's standard protocol when asking for help - > > rather than (mis)quoting what you saw. > > HOW DO I DO THAT? First off, by not yelling (ALL-CAPITALS TEXT IS CONSIDERED TO BE YELLING. :) Copying and pasting in Linux is easy: hold down the left mouse button and drag the mouse over the text that you want to copy (the text will be highlighted as you do this.) When you want to paste it, click both mouse buttons at the same time; the pasted text will be inserted at the current position of your cursor. I suggest you practice this by opening up a terminal and starting an editor (e.g., "nano" which is probably already installed on your system), then writing something like "Hello, world!" and copying and pasting a few dozen times to get familiar with the process. You can also copy and paste from one window to another. The procedure is exactly the same, except that you'll need to "move the focus" from the first window to the second one between the two operations. That procedure goes like this: `` 1) Highlight the text in window 1. 2) Left-click anywhere in window 2. 3) Both-click anywhere in window 2. '' This is a basic procedure that's used dozens of times every day. Good idea to get familiar with it. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. 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Good > idea to get familiar with it. reply Ben that is the problem. I am quite familiar with cut and paste in Windows, but; . . . . Whenever I try this in UBUNTU when I start to copy something into a webmail window or change from one webmail to another email the first window disappears. And nothing shows up when I click on . Apparently this particular webmail my ISP uses doesn't allow multiple windows being open simultaneously. At least not inside webmail. Its all I got to ork with. I cannot cut and paste from one computer to the other. +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 29 20:59:23 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.COM [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2U3xC0e014163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:59:14 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50586 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1Lo8eB-00089d-JH ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:58:54 -0700 Received: from genetikayos.com ([64.246.26.120]:35726) by linuxmafia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1Lo8de-00089N-6I for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:58:44 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain (genetikayos.com [64.246.26.120]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2U3w6vM014076; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:58:07 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by Tyr (bssmtp 0.3) with SMTP id 17497012; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:54:04 -0400 From: Ben Okopnik Message-ID: <20090330035403.GA7561@linuxgazette.net> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:54:03 -0400 To: 2elnav@netbistro.com Mail-Followup-To: 2elnav@netbistro.com, The Answer Gang References: <1238202661.16755.6.camel@Arildlinux> <20090328020924.GA15344@linuxgazette.net> <20090328024911.GA17292@linuxgazette.net> <20090328034744.GA18764@linuxgazette.net> <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> <20090328054631.GA24000@linuxgazette.net> <61006.208.181.70.31.1238303284.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090329134358.GA7546@linuxgazette.net> <61580.208.181.70.31.1238379671.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <61580.208.181.70.31.1238379671.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> X-gazette-tag: Ben User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Received-SPF: none (linuxmafia.com: domain of ben@linuxgazette.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) Cc: The Answer Gang X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 3058 Lines: 69 On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 07:21:11PM -0700, 2elnav@netbistro.com wrote: > > > You can also copy and paste from one window to another. > > 1) Highlight the text in window 1. > > 2) Left-click anywhere in window 2. > > 3) Both-click anywhere in window 2. > > > > This is a basic procedure that's used dozens of times every day. Good > > idea to get familiar with it. > > Ben that is the problem. > I am quite familiar with cut and paste in Windows, but; . . . . This is why I gave step-by-step instructions in my last email, Arild: copying and pasting is *different* between Windows and Linux. It really is. I suggest that you read what I wrote, and follow the instructions so that you become familiar with how it's done in Linux. > Whenever I try this in UBUNTU when I start to copy something into a > webmail window or change from one webmail to another email the first > window disappears. Again, whatever it is that you're doing does not sound like standard behavior for mail - including webmail. The webmail window disappears when you try to paste into it? The only thing I can imagine is that you're hitting some key combination (Alt-F4? Ctrl-C?) that makes it go away. I can't think of any kind of normal copy-and-paste behavior that would close a browser window. > And nothing shows up when I click on . What's the that you're clicking on? If you read my instructions - the ones that you quoted above - there's no "" to click on. Whatever that "" may be, it's the wrong thing to do. Please try following my instructions, then tell me what happened, and we'll be able to go forwar from that. > Apparently this particular webmail my ISP uses doesn't allow multiple > windows being open simultaneously. At least not inside webmail. Its all I > got to ork with. Have you tried right-clicking on the link and opening it in a new tab or window? That might be a good answer to this problem. (The real answer would be not to use webmail - at least not via the browser-based, which has its own set of behaviors. It's much better to use one of the mail programs available under Linux.) > I cannot cut and paste from one computer to the other. Let's be a bit more precise here: you haven't yet learned how to do so. I assure you that you can - at least once you learn the method I've been telling you about. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 29 21:15:37 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.com [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2U4FUnM014853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:15:32 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50689 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1Lo8u9-0008CN-Ow ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:15:25 -0700 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.176]:47345) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1Lo8tv-0008CC-VD for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:15:16 -0700 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so1139090waf.9 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.89.18 with SMTP id r18mr3305035wal.34.1238386502179; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (adsl-67-127-218-222.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [67.127.218.222]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v9sm4106439wah.60.2009.03.29.21.15.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:02:28 -0700 From: Breen Mullins To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Message-ID: <20090330040228.GB2536@localhost.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, 2elnav@netbistro.com References: <20090328020924.GA15344@linuxgazette.net> <20090328024911.GA17292@linuxgazette.net> <20090328034744.GA18764@linuxgazette.net> <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> <20090328054631.GA24000@linuxgazette.net> <61006.208.181.70.31.1238303284.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090329134358.GA7546@linuxgazette.net> <61580.208.181.70.31.1238379671.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090330035403.GA7561@linuxgazette.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090330035403.GA7561@linuxgazette.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Received-SPF: pass (linuxmafia.com: domain of breen.mullins@gmail.com designates 209.85.146.176 as permitted sender) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) Cc: 2elnav@netbistro.com X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 1587 Lines: 35 * Ben Okopnik [2009-03-29 23:54 -0400]: >Again, whatever it is that you're doing does not sound like standard >behavior for mail - including webmail. The webmail window disappears >when you try to paste into it? The only thing I can imagine is that >you're hitting some key combination (Alt-F4? Ctrl-C?) that makes it go >away. I can't think of any kind of normal copy-and-paste behavior that >would close a browser window. I think I might - if the Ubuntu desktop that Arild is using has the X focus follows mouse behavior, it may appear as if the previous window is being closed. Arild, if you're forced for the moment to use webmail, you're clearly using a web browser of some kind. It's probably Firefox. Instead of opening another browser window, try typing Ctrl-T to open another _tab_. That should get you past the problem of copy and paste that you're working on with Ben. -- Breen Mullins +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 29 23:52:16 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.com [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2U6q83k019498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:52:10 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51291 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LoBLb-00007o-1e ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:51:54 -0700 Received: from gamma.cluster.abccomm.com ([204.239.167.103]:53350) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LoBLM-00007b-VW for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:51:43 -0700 Received: (qmail 25088 invoked by uid 67); 30 Mar 2009 06:51:28 -0000 Received: from 208.181.70.31 (SquirrelMail authenticated user 2elnav@netbistro.com) by cluster.abccomm.com with HTTP; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <62196.208.181.70.31.1238395887.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> In-Reply-To: <20090330040228.GB2536@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090328020924.GA15344@linuxgazette.net> <20090328024911.GA17292@linuxgazette.net> <20090328034744.GA18764@linuxgazette.net> <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> <20090328054631.GA24000@linuxgazette.net> <61006.208.181.70.31.1238303284.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090329134358.GA7546@linuxgazette.net> <61580.208.181.70.31.1238379671.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090330035403.GA7561@linuxgazette.net> <20090330040228.GB2536@localhost.localdomain> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:51:27 -0700 (PDT) From: 2elnav@netbistro.com To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, 2elnav@netbistro.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Received-SPF: pass (linuxmafia.com: domain of 2elnav@netbistro.com designates 204.239.167.103 as permitted sender) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 1344 Lines: 32 > Arild, if you're forced for the moment to use webmail, you're clearly > using a web browser of some kind. It's probably Firefox. Instead of > opening another browser window, try typing Ctrl-T to open another > _tab_. That should get you past the problem of copy and paste that > you're working on with Ben. > Breen Mullins > Reply. Breen The real difficulty with the cut and paste method is due to the fact that xoscope is running on a different computer from what I use for webmail. So when I get Ben's email its on my Windows only computer; but the program I am trying to fix up is on the other computer. The only way I have at present is to link them via webmail on Wi Fi. +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 30 07:24:37 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.COM [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2UEOScl004613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:24:30 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53780 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LoIPQ-0001pa-Fd ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:24:20 -0700 Received: from genetikayos.com ([64.246.26.120]:42625) by linuxmafia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LoIP2-0001pN-K4 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:24:02 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain (genetikayos.com [64.246.26.120]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2UENdB8004526; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:23:40 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by Tyr (bssmtp 0.3) with SMTP id 29033775; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:19:37 -0400 From: Ben Okopnik Message-ID: <20090330141936.GB7453@linuxgazette.net> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:19:37 -0400 To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Mail-Followup-To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, 2elnav@netbistro.com References: <20090328034744.GA18764@linuxgazette.net> <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> <20090328054631.GA24000@linuxgazette.net> <61006.208.181.70.31.1238303284.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090329134358.GA7546@linuxgazette.net> <61580.208.181.70.31.1238379671.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090330035403.GA7561@linuxgazette.net> <20090330040228.GB2536@localhost.localdomain> <62196.208.181.70.31.1238395887.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <62196.208.181.70.31.1238395887.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> X-gazette-tag: Ben User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Received-SPF: none (linuxmafia.com: domain of ben@linuxgazette.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) Cc: 2elnav@netbistro.com X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 2617 Lines: 50 On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:51:27PM -0700, 2elnav@netbistro.com wrote: > > > Arild, if you're forced for the moment to use webmail, you're clearly > > using a web browser of some kind. It's probably Firefox. Instead of > > opening another browser window, try typing Ctrl-T to open another > > _tab_. That should get you past the problem of copy and paste that > > you're working on with Ben. > > The real difficulty with the cut and paste method is due to the fact that > xoscope is running on a different computer from what I use for webmail. So > when I get Ben's email its on my Windows only computer; but the program I > am trying to fix up is on the other computer. The only way I have at > present is to link them via webmail on Wi Fi. [ Arild: please note that you don't need to insert the word 'reply' before your replies; email programs, including the one used by your webmail program, insert a column of '>' signs before each reply level, making the flow of conversation distinct and clear. If you'll look at the text quoted above, you'll see what I mean. ] Ah - *now* I understand why you were saying that you can't copy-and-paste between computers. Although I _am_ a little confused about why you'd do that: since I remember you installing packages via "apt-get", I know that your Linux machine is connected to the Net, and since you use webmail, you shouldn't have a problem using a browser from Linux to do your email. If you do that, you wouldn't need to C-and-P between computers; it would make life simpler for you overall. You are right to this extent: it's a little more complicated to copy-and-paste between machines running different operating systems. Not impossible, mind you: you could run a VNC server on your Windows machine (http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/download.html) and a VNC client on your Linux box, and you could definitely paste from one to the other. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 30 10:49:22 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.COM [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2UHnDqD014128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:49:15 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55629 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LoLba-0002rK-BY ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:49:06 -0700 Received: from gamma.cluster.abccomm.com ([204.239.167.103]:54764) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LoLb9-0002r6-3e for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:48:56 -0700 Received: (qmail 13838 invoked by uid 67); 30 Mar 2009 17:48:27 -0000 Received: from 208.181.70.31 (SquirrelMail authenticated user 2elnav@netbistro.com) by cluster.abccomm.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <62717.208.181.70.31.1238435307.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> In-Reply-To: <20090330141936.GB7453@linuxgazette.net> References: <20090328034744.GA18764@linuxgazette.net> <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> <20090328054631.GA24000@linuxgazette.net> <61006.208.181.70.31.1238303284.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090329134358.GA7546@linuxgazette.net> <61580.208.181.70.31.1238379671.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090330035403.GA7561@linuxgazette.net> <20090330040228.GB2536@localhost.localdomain> <62196.208.181.70.31.1238395887.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090330141936.GB7453@linuxgazette.net> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:48:27 -0700 (PDT) From: 2elnav@netbistro.com To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, 2elnav@netbistro.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Received-SPF: pass (linuxmafia.com: domain of 2elnav@netbistro.com designates 204.239.167.103 as permitted sender) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 2540 Lines: 57 > [ Arild: please note that you don't need to insert the word 'reply' > before your replies; Apologies!!! I told you I was a dinosaur. I learned email techniques back in the early eighties. Old habits die hard. Back then BBS on a 300 baud dial up was high tech. >Although I _am_ a little confused about why you'd do that: since I >remember you installing packages via "apt-get", I know that your Linux >machine is connected to the Net, and since you use webmail, you shouldn't >have a problem using a browser from Linux to do your email. If you do >that, you wouldn't need to C-and-P between computers; it would make life >simpler for you overall. @#$ Had to do a bit of repair here...I don't know why Arild's mail comes through with garbled quoting, but the linebreaks went wonky up above. -- Kat $#@ Because; as I told you before I DON'T KNOW HOW!! I am a newbie with only a limited exposure to Linux. Every time I ask for help I'm told it available online but I can't make sense of all the techno jargon, acronyms and verbal short hand used. > mind you: you could run a VNC server on your Windows machine > (http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/download.html) and a VNC > client on your Linux box, and you could definitely paste from one to the > other. What's that? What does V N C stand for? Never heard of it nor how to use it. If the install procedure is anything like this siggen program I have little hope of getting it right. The only reason I can get online is because the UBUNTU program figured it out by itself. However I can't puzzle out how to configure it to do anything else like using these clients you refer to. All the instructions are so obscure with jargon I get lost. I told you I am a newbie with only a couple months experience with Linux. And that mostly with webmail. A lot of this stuff requires using state of the art equipment. My computers are all salvaged from the scrap yard. They are 8 to 10 years old. My linux box was destined for the dump when I intercepted it. Will this VNS stuff be compatible. Arild +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 30 11:15:57 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.COM [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2UIFncQ016173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:15:51 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55899 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LoM18-00030e-1P ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:15:29 -0700 Received: from rick by linuxmafia.com with local (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LoM12-00030T-N8 by authid ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:15:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:15:20 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: 2elnav@netbistro.com Message-ID: <20090330181520.GA10221@linuxmafia.com> References: <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> <20090328054631.GA24000@linuxgazette.net> <61006.208.181.70.31.1238303284.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090329134358.GA7546@linuxgazette.net> <61580.208.181.70.31.1238379671.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090330035403.GA7561@linuxgazette.net> <20090330040228.GB2536@localhost.localdomain> <62196.208.181.70.31.1238395887.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090330141936.GB7453@linuxgazette.net> <62717.208.181.70.31.1238435307.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <62717.208.181.70.31.1238435307.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> X-Mas: Bah humbug. X-gazette-tag: Rick Moen User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 Cc: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 2776 Lines: 60 Quoting 2elnav@netbistro.com (2elnav@netbistro.com): > Ben wrote: > > > [ Arild: please note that you don't need to insert the word 'reply' > > before your replies; > > Apologies!!! I told you I was a dinosaur. I learned email techniques back > in the early eighties. Old habits die hard. Back then BBS on a 300 baud > dial up was high tech. Odd that you should mention that: I was a BBS sysop in the early to late eighties (RBBS-PC behind BinkleyTerm), and one of few small blessings along with the rather primative infrastructure and software was that people _did_ use proper quoting practices, such as the ones Ben is now suggesting you use. > Because; as I told you before I DON'T KNOW HOW!! I am a newbie with > only a limited exposure to Linux. Since you don't know, and since you're having to follow expert instructions sent to you asynchronously via e-mail, you need to _follow instructions carefully_ and be specific and detailed in your problem reports. We dinosaurs learned that back in the 80s, right? Ben should not be needing to coach you into recognising that "dpkg-p" is not an accurate way of typing "dpkg -P", for example. Please stop floundering around, take a deep breath, and start over with what Ben asked you to do, paying closer attention this time. > A lot of this stuff requires using state of the art equipment. My > computers are all salvaged from the scrap yard. They are 8 to 10 years > old. The bit about "requiring state of the art equipment" is rubbish. My _server_, which runs all of _Linux Gazette's_ mailing lists, plus a major Web site, plus other mailing lists and a great deal of local user services, is an 11-year-old throwaway VA Research model 500 PIII/500 with 256 MB RAM and a pair of 9 GB hard drives. If I wanted it to run VNC (not "VNS") software, it would do that too. But never mind about that passing reference to VNC[1], which was just someone's offhand refutation of your claim that you can't cut and paste between machines, and please concentrate on the original solution, which you flubbed by not bothering to type it accurately. 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Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 30 12:31:51 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.com [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2UJVfmT019629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:31:43 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56830 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LoNCk-0003Tb-I8 ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:31:35 -0700 Received: from genetikayos.com ([64.246.26.120]:47372) by linuxmafia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LoNCN-0003TS-Pa for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:31:24 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain (genetikayos.com [64.246.26.120]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2UJUu34019583; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:30:57 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by Tyr (bssmtp 0.3) with SMTP id 16496275; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:26:55 -0400 From: Ben Okopnik Message-ID: <20090330192655.GD17239@linuxgazette.net> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:26:55 -0400 To: 2elnav@netbistro.com Mail-Followup-To: 2elnav@netbistro.com, The Answer Gang References: <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> <20090328054631.GA24000@linuxgazette.net> <61006.208.181.70.31.1238303284.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090329134358.GA7546@linuxgazette.net> <61580.208.181.70.31.1238379671.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090330035403.GA7561@linuxgazette.net> <20090330040228.GB2536@localhost.localdomain> <62196.208.181.70.31.1238395887.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090330141936.GB7453@linuxgazette.net> <62717.208.181.70.31.1238435307.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <62717.208.181.70.31.1238435307.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> X-gazette-tag: Ben User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Received-SPF: none (linuxmafia.com: domain of ben@linuxgazette.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) Cc: The Answer Gang X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 5529 Lines: 126 On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:48:27AM -0700, 2elnav@netbistro.com wrote: > > [ Arild: please note that you don't need to insert the word 'reply' > > before your replies; > > Apologies!!! I told you I was a dinosaur. I learned email techniques back > in the early eighties. Old habits die hard. Back then BBS on a 300 baud > dial up was high tech. That's when I started, too. I remember being annoyed because those damn newfangled 1200 baud modems scrolled text faster than I could read it. > >Although I _am_ a little confused about why you'd do that: since I > >remember you installing packages via "apt-get", I know that your Linux > >machine is connected to the Net, and since you use webmail, you > shouldn't >have a problem using a browser from Linux to do your email. If > you do >that, you wouldn't need to C-and-P between computers; it would > make life >simpler for you overall. > > Because; as I told you before I DON'T KNOW HOW!! Yes, you do. I've told you how. The problem is that instead of listening, you've spent all your time yelling how you don't know. Stop. Wind down. Take a deep breath. Then, carefully follow the instructions that you've been given. If they don't resolve the problem, or if you encounter new problems, come back and state those problems - including any error messages - clearly and concisely, and we'll help you, just as we have been all along. I fully realize that going through the process of asking for technical help can be intimidating and uncomfortable, particularly the first time. This is, however, what it takes to make it possible for people to help you - and getting frustrated and loud only 1) prevents people from helping you and 2) makes it progressively more likely that someone on the helping end will get annoyed and tell you to... um, chase flies, but more emphatically. > I am a newbie with > only a limited exposure to Linux. Every time I ask for help I'm told it > available online but I can't make sense of all the techno jargon, acronyms > and verbal short hand used. You have received actual top-quality help here, including a hell of a lot of proper behavior clues, painstaking explanations of fine details, and advice about things that any "dinosaur" from the early 80s would know. The only thing you're being asked is to stop yelling about your inability and FOLLOW SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS. > > mind you: you could run a VNC server on your Windows machine > > (http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/download.html) and a VNC > > client on your Linux box, and you could definitely paste from one to the > > other. > > What's that? You could actually read the page at the above link and find out, you know. > What does V N C stand for? Could be anything at all. Why not read the page and find out? > Never heard of it nor how to use it. Perhaps you could, y'know, actually READ THE PAGE AND LEARN? It's a novel concept, but might be worth exploring. > If the install procedure is anything like this siggen program I have > little hope of getting it right. If you do it by getting obnoxious and yelling about how you don't know anything, then you're right: it's hopeless. If you actually follow instructions, then it's very easy. > The only reason I can get online is because the UBUNTU program figured it > out by itself. However I can't puzzle out how to configure it to do > anything else like using these clients you refer to. All the instructions > are so obscure with jargon I get lost. No, the instructions here have been written in plain, clear, unabbreviated English. Anything that might have been unclear was explained to the best of our ability. You've ignored all the help that you've received and continued yelling about "jargon" and so on. If you stop yelling, start listening, and follow instructions, you just might learn something. > I told you I am a newbie with only a couple months experience with Linux. > And that mostly with webmail. That's why you should be listening really, really hard, and following instructions to the best of your ability. > A lot of this stuff requires using state of the art equipment. What "stuff" are you panicking about? Nothing that anyone here has mentioned requires any "state of the art equipment". > My > computers are all salvaged from the scrap yard. They are 8 to 10 years > old. > My linux box was destined for the dump when I intercepted it. Will this > VNS stuff be compatible. That would be VN*C* - this being yet another example of your sloppy approach and unpleasantly careless attitude toward what you're being told. The answer is "yes" - VNC works fine even on very old equipment... not that that really has to do with anything. Have you practiced copying and pasting as I suggested? If you haven't, then I don't know what you're expecting to gain here. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. 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Was linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 2190 Lines: 51 @#$ Oh dear...somehow, the quote attribution got lost, but Arild is responding to a previous comment of Ben's. -- Kat $#@ > Well done, Arild! Yep, exactly what I mean. REPLY This cutting and pasting between various screens on two different computer is a real PITA. As you can see from the forwarding I also had to invoke the use of a third computer on a different address. I have no way to directly link the two different computer directly. At least none that I know of. And having to copy down letter by letter what I see on one machine to get it into the other machine is error prone. Is there a quick way to network a Windows and a linux machine together so the two can see each other and copy each other's files? +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 30 01:15:49 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.com [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2U8FfU0022108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:15:43 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51857 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LoCeJ-0000Pt-R1 ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:15:20 -0700 Received: from ns.imsc.res.in ([61.95.189.4]:4715) by linuxmafia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LoCe8-0000Pc-KR for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:15:08 -0700 Received: from banyan.imsc.res.in ([172.16.1.76] ident=Debian-exim) by ns.imsc.res.in with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LoCdv-0008RA-A8 for tag@lists.linuxgazette.net; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:44:51 +0530 Received: from [172.16.2.20] (helo=dabba.imsc.res.in) by banyan.imsc.res.in with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LoCdv-0001RW-8s for tag@lists.linuxgazette.net; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:44:51 +0530 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:44:51 +0530 From: Kapil Hari Paranjape To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Message-ID: <20090330081451.GA1478@imsc.res.in> Mail-Followup-To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net References: <20090328024911.GA17292@linuxgazette.net> <20090328034744.GA18764@linuxgazette.net> <8E3EEE2E3E184DF3A2539BE590BA976B@ARLD> <20090328054631.GA24000@linuxgazette.net> <61006.208.181.70.31.1238303284.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090329134358.GA7546@linuxgazette.net> <61580.208.181.70.31.1238379671.squirrel@cluster.abccomm.com> <20090330035403.GA7561@linuxgazette.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-gazette-tag: kapil User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] Cut and paste between two computers. Was linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 1139 Lines: 33 Hello, On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, 2elnav@netbistro.com wrote: > This cutting and pasting between various screens on two different computer > is a real PITA. There is "synergy" which is meant for something more or less similar. The setup is explained in http://linuxgazette.net/128/lg_tips.html (Search for synergy). The keyboard and mouse _and_ clipboard of one computer is shared between the two machines. Of course, whether this is PITA or NaaN is something for you do decide. :-) Regards, Kapil. -- +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. 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Was linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 950 Lines: 23 On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 01:44:51PM +0530, Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: > > Of course, whether this is PITA or NaaN is something for you do > decide. :-) No comparison; naan is tastier. Especially the stuff with raisins and coconut. :) -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. 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Was linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 1732 Lines: 34 On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:06:41AM -0700, 2elnav@netbistro.com wrote: > > This cutting and pasting between various screens on two different > computer is a real PITA. > As you can see from the forwarding I also had to invoke the use of a > third computer on a different address. I have no way to directly link > the two different computer directly. At least none that I know of. And > having to copy down letter by letter what I see on one machine to get > it into the other machine is error prone. Is there a quick way to > network a Windows and a linux machine together so the two can see each > other and copy each other's files? Yep. As I mentioned in my previous email, you could solve the problem in several ways: you could use your Linux machine to do your mail via a mail client; you could use it to do mail via a web browser; or you could - the most complicated method of the three - use VNC to connect them, run your Windows box via a VNC connection, and copy-and-paste into it that way. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. 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Was linking my sound card to xoscpe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 1293 Lines: 27 > As I mentioned in my previous email, you could solve the problem in > several ways: you could use your Linux machine to do your mail via a > mail client; you could use it to do mail via a web browser; or you could > - the most complicated method of the three - use VNC to connect them, > run your Windows box via a VNC connection, and copy-and-paste into it > that way.> -- > * Ben Okopnik REPLY Don't know how to do that in Linux. Can't seem to figure it out. Judging by how my query on siggen is being handled I despair of ever figuring out these other issues. Maybe I should stick to Windows. I am just getting more confused by all the jargon. Arild +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. 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Ben I have been experimenting. First off ; I am quite familiar with cut and past in Windows. However this Linux webmail does not seem to allow me to open two windows or emails simultaneously. Every time I try to write you a reply, the webmail vanishes as soon as I open the second window. When I try to backtrack by clicking the back arrow, the first window has vanished. There is no sign of the message I began in Drafts. Scrolling jumps me right out of webmail and I have to log back in again and start over. Apparently webmail is not designed to work like this. At least not on what my ISP uses. Normally I handle my email correspondence on my windows computer but I have not figured out how to cut and paste from one computer to another, - especially when they are not linked. Which is why I paraphrased. I tried to send myself an email from one computer to the other but that just got me an error message saying it could not be delivered. Nor can I highlight something inside xoscope.for copying out. To cut and paste I would have to go to my windows machine but then I can't run siggen or Xoscppe inside Windows. Ideas? Arild reagrds Arild +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Sun Mar 29 21:30:45 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.com [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2U4Ucc2015276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:30:39 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50789 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1Lo98Z-0008F7-D9 ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:30:20 -0700 Received: from genetikayos.com ([64.246.26.120]:36082) by linuxmafia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1Lo98G-0008Es-3Q for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:30:08 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain (genetikayos.com [64.246.26.120]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2U4TkLw015192; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:29:47 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by Tyr (bssmtp 0.3) with SMTP id 58356196; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:25:44 -0400 From: Ben Okopnik Message-ID: <20090330042541.GB7561@linuxgazette.net> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:25:41 -0400 To: deloresh Mail-Followup-To: deloresh , The Answer Gang References: <20AD28817D1544E7B28F5B52EC59ED6A@ARLD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20AD28817D1544E7B28F5B52EC59ED6A@ARLD> X-gazette-tag: Ben User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Received-SPF: none (linuxmafia.com: domain of ben@linuxgazette.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) Cc: The Answer Gang X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] Fw: siggen problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 2489 Lines: 65 [ Again, Arild - please remember to CC the list. ] On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 08:16:45PM -0700, deloresh wrote: > Ben is this what you mean? > I am pretty sure I copied every word correctly then sent it to a > friend's address.Then it got bounced to me in my windows computer. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <2elnav@netbistro.com> > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 8:11 PM > Subject: siggen problem > arild@Arildlinux:~$ > arild@Arildlinux:~$ siggen > siggen: Display signature function values. > Tripwire(R) 2.3.1.2 built for > Tripwire 2.3 Portions copyright 2000 Tripwire, Inc. Tripwire is a registered > trademark of Tripwire, Inc. This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; > for details use --version. This is free software which may be redistributed > or modified only under certain conditions; see COPYING for details. > All rights reserved. > Use --help to get help. > arild@Arildlinux:~$ Well done, Arild! Yep, exactly what I mean. What this implies to me is that 1) you have "tripwire" installed (which you don't need), and 2) that you _don't_ have the "siggen" package (as contrasted against the "siggen" program) installed. If you had both, the latter would normally get executed first - because it gets installed in a "higher priority" directory. `` ben@Tyr:~$ apt-file search bin/siggen siggen: /usr/bin/siggen tripwire: /usr/sbin/siggen '' In the default execution path, "/usr/bin" comes before "/usr/sbin" - so "/usr/bin/siggen" would get executed first. Here's what you need to do to fix it: `` sudo dpkg -P tripwire sudo apt-get install siggen '' That should take care of it. After you've run the above two commands, you should be able to type "siggen" at the command line and see the sound generator application. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. 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Why does it keep asking for a password? `` arild@Arildlinux:~$ arild@Arildlinux:~$ sudo dpkg-p tripwire [sudo] password for arild: sudo: dpkg-p: command not found arild@Arildlinux:~$ arild@Arildlinux:~$ arild@Arildlinux:~$ sudo dpkg-p tripwire sudo apt-get install siggen sudo: dpkg-p: command not found arild@Arildlinux:~$ arild@Arildlinux:~$ arild@Arildlinux:~$ arild@Arildlinux:~$ "sudo dpkg-P tripwire > sudo apt-get install siggen > > > > > sudo dpkg -P tripwire > sudo apt-get install siggen > > > > sudo dpkg-P tripwire > sudo apt-get install siggen > -------------------------------------------------- No response after 10 minutes. '' From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 30 01:17:42 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.com [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2U8HZVZ022173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:17:37 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51924 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LoCgI-0000RL-Co ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:17:21 -0700 Received: from ns.imsc.res.in ([61.95.189.4]:1564) by linuxmafia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LoCg7-0000R3-7A for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:17:11 -0700 Received: from banyan.imsc.res.in ([172.16.1.76] ident=Debian-exim) by ns.imsc.res.in with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LoCfy-0008RM-90 for tag@lists.linuxgazette.net; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:46:58 +0530 Received: from [172.16.2.20] (helo=dabba.imsc.res.in) by banyan.imsc.res.in with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LoCfy-0001VQ-6i for tag@lists.linuxgazette.net; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:46:58 +0530 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:46:58 +0530 From: Kapil Hari Paranjape To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net Message-ID: <20090330081658.GB1478@imsc.res.in> Mail-Followup-To: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net References: <20AD28817D1544E7B28F5B52EC59ED6A@ARLD> <20090330042541.GB7561@linuxgazette.net> <79D084B3E29341A1BDC33CF48F20DB41@ARLD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <79D084B3E29341A1BDC33CF48F20DB41@ARLD> X-gazette-tag: kapil User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] Fw: siggen problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 975 Lines: 29 Hello, On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, 2elnav@netbistro.com wrote: > The machine just stalled out. > Why does it keep asking for a password? > > arild@Arildlinux:~$ > arild@Arildlinux:~$ sudo dpkg-p tripwire Please read Ben's original response carefully. Big hint: Spaces are important as are distinctions between uppper and lower case. Kapil. -- +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. The TAG list has also been copied. Please send all replies to tag@lists.linuxgazette.net, so that we can help our other readers by publishing the exchange in our monthly Web magazine: Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net/) +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ _______________________________________________ TAG mailing list TAG@lists.linuxgazette.net http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/tag From tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 30 09:02:40 2009 Return-Path: Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.COM [198.144.195.186]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2UG2W5X009493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:02:34 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54928 helo=linuxmafia.com) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LoJwJ-0002OL-Gd ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:02:24 -0700 Received: from genetikayos.com ([64.246.26.120]:44072) by linuxmafia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61 #1 (EximConfig 2.0)) id 1LoJvs-0002O9-D1 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:02:10 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain (genetikayos.com [64.246.26.120]) by genetikayos.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2UG1Y8s009446; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:01:35 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by Tyr (bssmtp 0.3) with SMTP id 75205778; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:57:34 -0400 From: Ben Okopnik Message-ID: <20090330155734.GD7453@linuxgazette.net> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:57:34 -0400 To: 2elnav@netbistro.com Mail-Followup-To: 2elnav@netbistro.com, The Answer Gang References: <20AD28817D1544E7B28F5B52EC59ED6A@ARLD> <20090330042541.GB7561@linuxgazette.net> <79D084B3E29341A1BDC33CF48F20DB41@ARLD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <79D084B3E29341A1BDC33CF48F20DB41@ARLD> X-gazette-tag: Ben User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Received-SPF: none (linuxmafia.com: domain of ben@linuxgazette.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) Cc: The Answer Gang X-BeenThere: tag@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Answer Gang List-Id: The Answer Gang List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net Errors-To: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-EximConfig: v2.0 on linuxmafia.com (http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tag-bounces@lists.linuxgazette.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on genetikayos.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Subject: Re: [TAG] Fw: siggen problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) Status: O Content-Length: 3530 Lines: 91 On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:23:40AM -0700, 2elnav@netbistro.com wrote: > The machine just stalled out. > Why does it keep asking for a password? > > arild@Arildlinux:~$ sudo dpkg-p tripwire > [sudo] password for arild: > sudo: dpkg-p: command not found The problem here is that you've used the wrong case for the option (it's supposed to be '-P', not '-p'); you've also missed a space (it's supposed to be 'dpkg -P', not 'dpkg-p'.) Note: it's *VERY* important to type things _exactly_ as you're told to type them. This literally is as critical as correct diode polarity or the exact IC spec: if you get it wrong in any way, the circuit (or the command) is not going to work, period. > arild@Arildlinux:~$ sudo dpkg-p tripwire sudo apt-get install siggen > sudo: dpkg-p: command not found Wrong case, missing space. > arild@Arildlinux:~$ "sudo dpkg-P tripwire Missing space. >> sudo apt-get install siggen You're no longer typing on the command line. If the line does not begin with 'arild@Arildlinux:~$ ', it's not a command line; in fact, if it begins with '>', it's a "continuation prompt", meaning that the system considers the last command to be unfinished. The reason for that, in this case, is that you started the command line with a double-quote (right in front of the 'sudo' command) - and the shell is waiting for you to "close" that quote. Even then, that wouldn't help you - command names aren't supposed to have quotes in them - but at least you'd have received an error and been returned to the command prompt. >> sudo dpkg -P tripwire You're not typing on the command line. >> sudo apt-get install siggen You're not typing on the command line. >> sudo dpkg-P tripwire You're not typing on the command line. >> sudo apt-get install siggen You're not typing on the command line. > No response after 10 minutes. Not surprising; you're stuck in the middle of an uncompleted command. Here's how that's interaction is supposed to go: 1) You type "sudo dpkg ". 2) Depending on how recently you've type "sudo", you may be asked for a password. If you are, then you need to type one in (note that what you type will not appear on the screen; it's a security measure that prevents "shoulder-surfing" - people stealing your password by looking at what you type.) 3) At that point, the "dpkg" command will execute, which will take a while (anywhere from about 15 seconds to a couple of minutes.) You should see informational messages on the screen within a couple of seconds of its execution. 4) Once it's finished, you'll be returned to the standard prompt (e.g, 'arild@Arildlinux:'.) If you get stuck somewhere in the middle of that - whether via some mistype or whatever the reason - and you see that things aren't moving along the way they should, hit 'Ctrl-C' to break out. -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * +-+--------------------------------------------------------------------+-+ You've asked a question of The Answer Gang, so you've been sent the reply directly as a courtesy. 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